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Complete LOTR "One Ring Edition" translated as "lets waste money and don't tell the wife edition" fitting lots of parts, mods, rubbers, and cleaning
- Thread starter cmrl9
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The other thing to be very careful of with LOTR is the backbox where the ring magnets in when lifting and lowering the playfield.
Earlier in the build when lifting the playfield I somehow got the back caught and bent the brackets holding the back to the playfield, was very upset as it was after I had just rebuilt the thing, bought some new brackets so damage done, but now I'm super consious when lifting. Make sure both left and right are pulled flush to the end of the guide rail when lifting.
Didn't take a pic of the bracket as I actually nearly cried when it happened
The wife had to help me again take the backbox off and re-fit.
This has made me think about my T2 build.
I checked the wiring after I re-soldered everything to make sure it all looked good but after ready about your recent experience I’m gonna go over it again to be sure all the diodes and wires are the right way round.
Your LOTR is looking top notch mate
Thanks, I also checked all the soldiering and wiring before I turned on, however I didn't check the diode direction. I tripple checked these when I soildered, from the pics I took.Hs has made me think about my T2 build.
I checked the wiring after I re-soldered everything to make sure it all looked good but after ready about your recent experience I’m gonna go over it again to be sure all the diodes and wires are the right way round.
Your LOTR is looking top notch mate
I should have used the manual and checked them all.
With STTNG I made the mistake of looking at the pictures and didn't realise the coil and thus the diode was reversed, it caused me all sorts of damage, so I would def check with the Williams. To be honest at the time I was so new I didn't even know there was a diode "lol" I just thought the wires had to be on the same place.
Thanks, I'm very happy with it so far, looked NItB when I turned it on. The lights really popped. Hopefully no damage has been done to the power driver board. I think not as it didn't fire, unlike STTNG where it allowed a couple of games
Great advice mate. Definitely going to do this before I switch it on.
EMERGENCY - HELP PLEASE
Fuses and new coil turned up today from pinball heaven.
Fitted new fuse changed the coil. The old fuse smashed when It took it out, got all the glass out (i think)
Turned machine on all flippers fired, all working fuse fine, noticed some light smoke coming from the bottom by the auto launcher (thank god). Turned machine off, coil was red hot and the bracket red hot. Sleeve has fused to the coil.
Thought maybe its a faulty coil, but the original coil on the machine. Did the same started getting hot.
No fuses blown.
Checked all other coils all cool to touch.
Now its a serious fire risk, any one have any clue what would cause this, its only on the auto launcher.
Any one know any one in Northern Ireland who an expert who could take a look? (paid or a favour )
Any one in England that could check it all, if I bought it over (paid or a favour), I'm thinking possibly pinball heaven but any other trusted people on here?
very sad, but could have been worse. Everything is working and turned off straight away.
Fuses and new coil turned up today from pinball heaven.
Fitted new fuse changed the coil. The old fuse smashed when It took it out, got all the glass out (i think)
Turned machine on all flippers fired, all working fuse fine, noticed some light smoke coming from the bottom by the auto launcher (thank god). Turned machine off, coil was red hot and the bracket red hot. Sleeve has fused to the coil.
Thought maybe its a faulty coil, but the original coil on the machine. Did the same started getting hot.
No fuses blown.
Checked all other coils all cool to touch.
Now its a serious fire risk, any one have any clue what would cause this, its only on the auto launcher.
Any one know any one in Northern Ireland who an expert who could take a look? (paid or a favour
)Any one in England that could check it all, if I bought it over
(paid or a favour), I'm thinking possibly pinball heaven but any other trusted people on here? very sad, but could have been worse. Everything is working and turned off straight away.
Thanks Drhex for the quick response, Fubar also thinks so and from looking a little makes sense with the diode.
Thanks, I bought this one for STTNG
Meter, Autoranging - Pinball Heaven
Excellent little starter meter. Autoranging funtion.
www.pinball.co.uk
One I recieved was slightly different from the picture, tools have been put away for christmas, Il dig it out over the coming days and some guidence before I turn the machine on would be fantastic. In case:
a
Its the wrong typeb) I've connected it wrong
c
I'm stupid 
Thanks, in the future yes please, I need to get hold of some junk boards to have a go on. Not Junk that someone doesn't have the skill to fix. One thats badly battery damaged.
I've spent a fortune on this build, so don't want to cock it up on a minor fix, (if skilled/experienced)
Thanks much appreciated.
So I have an interesting problem, recieved NOS Balrog from pinball life in the US, however when I tried to fit it the bracket on mine and the replacement bracket from marco the holes are out of allignment.
Its basically a couple of milimeters off both base and sides.
Pinball life have been super helpful and can't understand why, the only other one in existance which they happen to have looks the same, they dont have a balrog bracket to test as they don't exist anly more. My only guess is there was some sort of change, however pinball life haven't heard of stern doing it. (outside of early balrogs melting due to indesecent bulb getting too hot and melting him, Stern change was to fit LED bulb). The one they sent has a solid base and seems a little stronger.
Pic has the original nasty bracket, I fitted the new one to the exisitng balrog
Its basically a couple of milimeters off both base and sides.
Pinball life have been super helpful and can't understand why, the only other one in existance which they happen to have looks the same, they dont have a balrog bracket to test as they don't exist anly more. My only guess is there was some sort of change, however pinball life haven't heard of stern doing it. (outside of early balrogs melting due to indesecent bulb getting too hot and melting him, Stern change was to fit LED bulb). The one they sent has a solid base and seems a little stronger.
Pic has the original nasty bracket, I fitted the new one to the exisitng balrog
I'ts not worth sending back as the shipping will hammer me.
I'm also thinking if a balrog is needed this wont be easy probably impossible to get and very difficult to fabricate. However a basic metal bracket I'm guessing some one could 3d scan and adjust the holes pretty easily wihtout it being stupidly expensive.
I'm also thinking if a balrog is needed this wont be easy probably impossible to get and very difficult to fabricate. However a basic metal bracket I'm guessing some one could 3d scan and adjust the holes pretty easily wihtout it being stupidly expensive.
So what parts have gone into restoring this game..... its a long list
| Front custom Plate |
| Custom Ball Guard |
| Ball shooter assembly |
| Lord of the Rings custom ring Shooter Rod |
| Ball shooter Plate |
| Comet Superbright bulbs |
| Rings for Shooter rod |
| Clip on Reflectors |
| Big Bag of Nuts |
| Yellow Flippers |
| Gold Flipper Button |
| Polaris Balls |
| bulbs |
| Silocone Rubbers |
| Light Puck for Rings |
| Cliffy Hole Protectors |
| Custom hand made sword handle |
| Ring Post kit |
| Drop target decals |
| Blue Rubber |
| NOS Stickers |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ball lock switch bracket x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ring funnel x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ramp sword rt x 1 |
| Lamp cover - USA silicone Red x 1 |
| Lamp #906 Red - 10-pack x 1 |
| Lamp #906 Miniature - 10-pack x 1 |
| Machine Screw 6-32 x 2 inch p-ph x 1 |
| Machine Screw 6-32 x 5/8" pl-hwh x 2 |
| Bumper post 10-32 x 2-1/4 inch 6-32 tap x 4 |
| Mini post - wood screw thread x 4 |
| Machine Screw 6-32 x 3/8" p-ph-sems x 2 |
| Screw 2-56 x 1/2 inch hwh serr. #4HD x 2 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ramp flap x 1 |
| Rivet - 1/8" x 3/16" tubular aluminum x 8 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ramp flap left x 1 |
| Machine Screw 6-32 x 3/8" p-ph-sems x 6 |
| Wire ball gate x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Wire ball guide right x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Wire ball guide left x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Target switch kit x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Divertor gate x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ball guide welded x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ball guide short curve x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ring ramp trap fix x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Flat rail x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Flat rail x 1 |
| Leg bolt 3/8-16 x 2-1/2 inch acorn head brass x 8 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Ball guide welded metal rail #2 x 2 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Wiregate x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Bracket - right rollunder x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Wire ball gate x 1 |
| Mini Post #10-32 bottom .875" x 5 |
| Mini post 10-32 stud .4 inch x 2 |
| Mini post - wood screw thread x 6 |
| Sheet Metal Screw #6 x 1/2 inch p-trh x 12 |
| Ball guide wire form x 2 |
| Ball guide - clear return lane guide x 2 |
| Bracket - center drain ball guide x 1 |
| Flipper snubber wire .125 dia x 3.125 inch x 2 |
| Shooter tip - black rubber x 2 |
| Plunger Tip for The Lord of the Rings |
| Gold Ring Plastic for The Lord of the Rings |
| 10 x [19822] T-Nut 6-32" |
| 1 x [15005] Nylon sleeve 44x12,5mm (03-7066) |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Bracket center ramp trap x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Spinner and decal assembly x 1 |
| Magnet bushing x 1 |
| Coil - solenoid flipper w/diode 090-5032-0T x 1 |
| Flipper rebuild kit Sega/Stern 2 left 1 right x 1 |
| Spring washer 1/2 inch inner diameter x 1 |
| E-clip for 7/16 in. shaft x 1 |
| Spring - compression 5/8" x 1/2" x 1 |
| Sheet Metal Screw #6 x 1/2 inch p-trh x 12 |
| Rubber ring - Black 27/64 inch or 7/16 inch OD x 6 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Magnet plate x 1 |
| Lamp fluorescent F20T12CW 24 inch 165-5031-02 x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Decal ring x 1 |
| Fluorescent starter FS-2/FS-22 x 1 |
| LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Back panel trough x 1 |
| Pinsound Plus |
| Pinsound Speakers and Subwoofer |
| Pinsound Headphone station |
| Soft Socket 5/8" No Scratch Leg Bolt Socket |
| 7/16" OD Mini Post Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Yellow |
| 7/16" OD Mini Post Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Green |
| 545-5105-00 - Grommet |
| 266-5022-00 - Spring - compression |
| 515-5941-01 - Plunger assembly 3.5 inch VUK |
| 269-5002-00 - Spring washer 1/2 inch inner diameter |
| 545-5076-01 - Coil sleeve - 1-15/16 inch long with 1/4 inch flange |
| 535-5203-03 - Bracket - coil front |
| 180-5116-01 - Switch - sub-miniature with Y lever |
| 535-6539-00 - Plate - switch body protect |
| 535-8296-01 - Bracket - VUK Stern right |
| 535-8296-00 - Bracket - VUK Stern left |
| 237-5510-01 - Machine Screw 6-32 x 1-1/2 inch p-flh |
| 03-6035-6 - Pop bumper skirt - yellow |
| 254-5039-14 - Spacer - plastic standoff .875 inch |
| PK1127 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Plastic post kit |
| 535-9381-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Crystal Ball Bracket |
| 550-5061-02 - Lane guide - light hood - red |
| 545-5197-06 - Pop bumper body Data East/Sega/Stern yellow |
| 545-5197-00 - Pop bumper body - Data East/Stern |
| 535-9397-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Mirror bracket |
| 535-8250-01 - Bracket - deflector saucer |
| 266-5047-00 - Spring - compression |
| 535-7346-00 - Yoke - metal with lip 535-5072-00 |
| 03-7066 - Coil sleeve - 1-3/4 x 1/2 inch |
| 01-5493 - Yoke fiber - pop bumper |
| A-4754 - Ring and rod |
| 4108-01115-08 - Sheet Metal Screw #8 x 1/2" pl-hwh-a |
| 535-8394-00 - Bracket - arch retainer Stern |
| LOTR Special flipper coils |
| Soft Socket 5/8" No Scratch Leg Bolt Socket |
| 7/16" OD Mini Post Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Yellow |
| 7/16" OD Mini Post Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Green |
| 7/16" Snap In Nyliner |
| 545-5418-00 |
| Backbox Flasher Kit For Lord Of The Rings |
| Lord of the Rings Liv Tyler Arwen Plastic |
| 280-5014-00 - Spindle stop - rubber tip adjustable |
| 266-5022-01 - Spring - compression 5/8" x 1/2" |
| 515-6858-00 - Plunger assembly 3.75 inches |
| 269-5002-00 - Spring washer 1/2 inch inner diameter |
| 545-5076-01 - Coil sleeve - 1-15/16 inch long with 1/4 inch flange |
| 090-5044-00 - Coil - solenoid with diode DE/Sega/Stern |
| 545-5428-00 - Bumper - rubber 1 inch diameter |
| 20-8712-43 - E-clip for 7/16 in. shaft |
| 090-5004-00 - Coil - solenoid Data East/Sega/Stern 27-1500 |
| 535-7356-00 - Coil bracket notched (3) |
| A-16883-13 - Pushbutton 1-1/8 inch clear |
| 237-6151-00 - Machine Screw 4-40 x 5/16 inch p-flh undercut |
| 535-9399-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) VUK guard |
| Silicone Post Rubber For Williams/Bally Era Pinball Machines - Yellow |
| Thin Silicone Post Rubber For Modern Stern Pinball Machines - Yellow |
| 3/16" Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Yellow |
| 5/16" Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Yellow |
| 7/16" Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Yellow |
| 3/8" OD Mini Post Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Transluscent |
| 3/16" Silicone Pinball Machine Rubber - Transluscent |
| 4006-01027-40 Machine Screw 6-32 x 2-1/2 inch long phillips with round washer head. |
| Coin door lock (keyless or keyed) - keyless |
| Auto launch kicker assembly - 500-6091-00 |
| 090-5036-0B (090-5036-01) Solenoid |
| COIL SLEEVE 2-11/16 OFFSET - 03-7067-6 |
| Sleeve for ball poppers 03-7067-2 |
| Sleeve for solenoid 03-7066 |
| Ring and Rod |
| 535-9348-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Balrog bracket |
| 266-5076-00 - Spring - compression Balrog LOTR |
| 535-7948-01 - Bracket - trap door |
| 535-9398-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Balrog bracket |
| 550-5059-00 - Post 1-1/16 inch black plastic |
| 530-5332-03 - Bumper post 10-32 x 2-1/2 inch 6-32 stud |
| 240-5204-00 - T-nut 10-32 x 5/16 inch |
| 4410-01118-00 - T-Nut 10-32 x 7/16 x 3/4 inch base |
| 4406-01118-00 - T-Nut 6-32 thread 1/4 inch barrel 1/2 inch 3 prong |
| 820-6348-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Decal ring |
| 530-5127-00 - Bumper post 8-32 stud 1-15/16 |
| 530-5332-01 - Bumper post 10-32 x 2-1/4 inch 6-32 tap |
| 550-5061-02 - Lane guide - light hood - red |
| 38-0316B - Rubber ring - Black 3/16 inch ID |
| M-1536 - Pin cotter 1/16 x 1/2 inch |
| 242-5078-00 - Washer - nylon .32 x .75 x .13 inch |
| 02-4252-18 - Hex spacer 1/4 inch f-f 6-32 x 1-1/8" |
| 502-5022-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Balrog LED kit |
| 036-5492-15-80 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Cable Balrog switch |
| 090-5044-00 - Coil - solenoid with diode DE/Sega/Stern |
| 545-5105-00 - Grommet |
| 266-5020-00 - Spring - compression 1-1/2" |
| 515-5941-01 - Plunger assembly 3.5 inch VUK |
| 545-5076-01 - Coil sleeve - 1-15/16 inch long with 1/4 inch flange |
| 535-8964-00 - Bracket - back panel mounting |
| Insertion tool for insert panel lamp holders IDC |
| Flasher dome, twist style 03-8171- - Yellow |
| Flasher dome, twist style 03-8171- - Red |
| 32mm Slow blow (1.25") fuse. - 7a-pack-of-5 |
| 32mm Slow blow (1.25") fuse. - 3a-pack-of-5 |
| 32mm Slow blow (1.25") fuse. - 5a-pack-of-5 |
| 32mm Slow blow (1.25") fuse. - 4a-pack-of-5 |
| 32mm Slow blow (1.25") fuse. - 8a-pack-of-5 |
| 090-5036-0B (090-5036-01) Solenoid |
| Lord of the Rings Balrog Molded Plastic |
| 180-5119-02 - Switch - micro roller actuator |
| 266-5022-01 - Spring - compression 5/8" x 1/2" |
| 535-9391-00 - LORD OF THE RINGS (Stern) Spring retainer |
| 515-6027-08 - Target switch 1 x 1-1/2 inch rectangular white |
| 090-5044-00 - Coil - solenoid with diode DE/Sega/Stern |
| 269-5002-00 - Spring washer 1/2 inch inner diameter |
| 545-5883-18 - T Molding - 3/4 inch gold with black center - per foot |
and the cost, well thats embarrising, feel free to take a guess
There are a couple of high ticket items, pinsound kit, custom ring shooter rod, Custom sword (shipping and import duties hammer these up as many are only avaialbe in the US)
There are a couple of high ticket items, pinsound kit, custom ring shooter rod, Custom sword (shipping and import duties hammer these up as many are only avaialbe in the US)
The same experience with replacing items, the interesting thing is it looked ok, but when you do a like for like you can see the difference, sometimes massively. Yes the mods, if you can get them, LOTR is a little tricky. Not sure about twilight zone.
The problem I had was a couple of small parts that I didn't know I needed, until I got to them in the machine, like Balrogs bracket, nylon washers etc. Unfortunately these are only available from either marco or pinball life, which with the shipping and taxes made me buy other things, still in the end its worth it.
I think the two most beneficial upgrades are:
1) Colour DMD
2) Pinsound Plus, speakers and headphone station
These definitely improve the machine; the others make it look good but not really necessary.
I also have the philosophy right or wrong that on a twenty-year-old machine, if I'm spending the time disassembling a particular part, for example the up kicker, to change a switch it makes sense to replace all the wear and tear parts at the same time. Makes it right for the next 20 years
Unfortunately this philosophy is expensive *lol*
For newer machines I wouldn’t as they started to become mainly in home settings with not much play, but certainly the 90’s Williams where hammered, I doubt many originally where sold as home use only.
Yes, mine must have been in a flood at some point, everything corroded pretty badly. Played just fine though but I did want it to put in a proto playfield anyway so expected to fully disassemble, Lot‘s of polishing and parts buying to be done…
Mine was at the sea side, perhaps an arcade by the sea or a shed, a fair number of bits salt corroded, all gone now!
That will be a big job at least 100 hours
Personally try and buy them all at once from Marco, its perhaps a little more expensive, but they list the part numbers correctly and have them in stock (well mostly, only had one part tht no longer exists, go out of stock after ordering) The great thing about there website is UK shipping, taxes and duties are included at the checkout, so you can make a decision if its worth it before clicking the buy button. PayPal are also doing 4 months interest free, which marco accept, which makes it also attractive. Damn paypal interest free, that also increased my spend *lol*
Yes, they are great, almost a reason to move to the US ;-). Ordered quite a few bits of him, but polishing up ball through etc which comes out reasonably well. All screws which were in the side wall are corroded, worst thing though is the back panel of the back box which is completely swollen up - need to think about getting another one (or leave it as I rarely look ar my pin from the rear. Then again bought radcals, once they are on I‘ll kick myself if I have to reorder them for the backbox if I ever replace. Decisions, decisions…
Mine is from Germany originally, seaside could be a reason, maybe some waves hitting it. Also, some idiot decided that greasing the solenoids was a good idea. Terrible mess…
Mine is from Germany originally, seaside could be a reason, maybe some waves hitting it
. Also, some idiot decided that greasing the solenoids was a good idea. Terrible mess…
Are you keeping the skills posts activated?
I've disabled mine and just ordered axe side rails to hide the second buttons.
I've disabled mine and just ordered axe side rails to hide the second buttons.
