But we are not in america!
Very few have been alocated to the UK.
Most the CEs are in the USA and very few shared around Europe.
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JJP Toy Story 4
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Very few have been alocated to the UK.
Most the CEs are in the USA and very few shared around Europe.
Thought you where talking in general to the title itself not U.K. specific, that goes without saying we get a tiny portion of games out of the overall numbers.
But as a game there’s no doubt it would have sold a tonne more if it was TS based (1 or 1-3) you don’t have to look far too see that.
Obviously here titles are more limited and sell out fairly quickly, so CEs might be sold out in the U.K. but they are not sold out like JJP would like you to believe!
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Karl (iepinball) streamed some Toy Story last night. I haven't watched it yet but should be a good look at the game play and he's usually honest about what he thinks about games too, even if he's bought them and then thinks they're crap
The music/ audio on the game seems all over the shop to me
This has to be one of the funniest pinball videos I’ve watched. It’s the combination of the kiddie theme and the copious cursing! 
The loops at the beginning are... interesting, let’s say.
It shows the wizard mode (or, at least, the first half).
The loops at the beginning are... interesting, let’s say.
It shows the wizard mode (or, at least, the first half).
Always need a player cam on Walt, he's entertaining to watch!This has to be one of the funniest pinball videos I’ve watched. It’s the combination of the kiddie theme and the copious cursing!
The loops at the beginning are... interesting, let’s say.
It shows the wizard mode (or, at least, the first half).
To listen to Zach meny and flip and out you’d almost be tempted to buy I think they are on jjps pay roll top shillers !
I struggle with Zach's opinion on anything since he bought Flipnout. Massive conflict of interest if he's to slag off stuff he's trying to sell so I don't believe a word he says now except for the news. Miss the old multi podcast days when everyone had an opinion rather than TPN or pay for Kaneda
well thats true kaneda can go the other way he can get on my t*ts now and again
JJP are not designing games to compete with stern or anyone else. They are designing games to be bought by a certain type of buyer at the top of the domestic market. It is what it is, an expensive toy aimed at the premium home buyer. Its not aimed at the pro pinball player or really the coin op market. Have they sold a ton of Wonka? GNR and now Toy story? yes, thats all that matters to them. Their strategy is different to others. Godzilla on the other hand is a game designed by a team who have not only proven sales but is also led by a former world champ, so it's gonna be a players game.
That's actually not a bad shout.
One is a collectors toy with an expensive licence and the other is a players machine.
I don't know enough to confirm whether it's true but it seems to make sense.
That's what's called a 'whale-based' business model (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Whaling).
It also exists in board gaming...
Yeah, I've got to admit to being perplexed by JJP's G n'R to the point where I hated it - possibly for that reason (?). I played it as a 'walk-up' at The Pinball Office and was immediately greeted by a very uninformative apron card (Collect All Band Members... yep, but how?).
I went almost immediately into multi ball and did what you do with an unfamiliar pin in multi ball. I cradled a couple of balls and looked at the inserts to see where to shoot. And, literally, everything was flashing multiple colours. And I was like "f**k that. What the actual f**k is wrong with this pinball machine? The f******g inserts are f****g useless" So, I shot the ball(s) around for a bit hoping to start/score something - and, after the game, I walked off, cursing the pinball machine.
Reading about the pin afterwards, it's obvious this pin simply isn't designed for 'walk-up' play or the mentality of someone who has played (albeit badly) in league. It's supposed to be a concert, played at home, and to give people a good time even if they just spray balls around wildly
In contrast, I really liked Dialed In... So, it's not all JJP pins.
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JJP only care about location pinball. Honestly if you talk to Jack that's all he goes on about. They have not sold a ton of Wonka. GNR is the only title other than Woz that has made them any money.
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Watching Karl last night he finished the game on his second game of it 
but he had flipper issues thatwas caused by JJP forgetting to put a coil sleeves in 10K+ for that quality high end game!
but he had flipper issues thatwas caused by JJP forgetting to put a coil sleeves in 10K+ for that quality high end game!
Watched Karl's stream. The flipper issues are unforgivable considering the price. You can put as many blingy bits/mechs/screens on a game, if the flippers feel like mush or worse fail completely, it's completely unforgivable. This is far worse than chipping playfields in my eyes.
As for the game, I think people who like CC or MB or that level of depth in a game, I think will enjoy it (as long as the flippers work).
Personally, it's not a Toy Story game. It feels to me like Pat was designing a Carnival based game, the Toy Story 4 license came up and someone (probably from marketing) said 'hold on, TS4, that's got a scene with a carnival in it, let's combine the 2!' I mean TS4 really isn't about a carnival, at all, it's just a location of part of the film. This whole game is about a carnival, not TS4, it's just got the TS4 characters in it. I don't have a problem with a carnival based pin, infact I think it's a cool idea. But it's meant to be TS4 and it's not really is it. Theme really isn't important to me, but I do quite like Toy Story, so was quite excited to see what they did.
Ah well, it still looks fun to me (as long as the flippers work) and I would definitely love to spend a few hours on it at Tilt
As for the game, I think people who like CC or MB or that level of depth in a game, I think will enjoy it (as long as the flippers work).
Personally, it's not a Toy Story game. It feels to me like Pat was designing a Carnival based game, the Toy Story 4 license came up and someone (probably from marketing) said 'hold on, TS4, that's got a scene with a carnival in it, let's combine the 2!' I mean TS4 really isn't about a carnival, at all, it's just a location of part of the film. This whole game is about a carnival, not TS4, it's just got the TS4 characters in it. I don't have a problem with a carnival based pin, infact I think it's a cool idea. But it's meant to be TS4 and it's not really is it. Theme really isn't important to me, but I do quite like Toy Story, so was quite excited to see what they did.
Ah well, it still looks fun to me (as long as the flippers work) and I would definitely love to spend a few hours on it at Tilt
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ok I played it!
here is my review that someone else wrote but I 100% agree with!
It's £12K for JJP's equivalent of "Munsters"
great shots, flat game play, theme totally disconnected from the game. I'd say Its worse than Wonka.
It's a million miles away from any sort of amazing classic of all time.
Neil.
here is my review that someone else wrote but I 100% agree with!
It's £12K for JJP's equivalent of "Munsters"
great shots, flat game play, theme totally disconnected from the game. I'd say Its worse than Wonka.
It's a million miles away from any sort of amazing classic of all time.
Neil.
What I find even more odd about this game is that it’s taken 3 years to make.
Where you play it neil
That’s because Pat was only working one day per fortnight.
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Be in tilt soon, my sample landed this week
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I'm not saying don't buy it btw, but its a game that's very close to the start button in terms of depth and I'm not a big TS fan so some of you guys that love the 90's BW games will probably like this a lot.
It’s 90% about value for money - for me, anyway.
I love 90s B/W era games, have young kids, and am looking for an easier pin to complement our Flash Gordon…
I just can’t see what I’d be getting for £12.6k unless the gameplay is Keith-Elwin-on-amphetamines good. I could get a good B/W-era pin AND a second-hand Dialled In for the same price (give or take a couple of grand).
That said, I’m interested to play on location if I can find an excuse to go to Tilt.
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The days of knocking up Banzai Run in your garage are long gone
Is it worth 2 stern pro’s Neil?
Every new game does have its issues.
But no coil sleeves? Who signed off on that game?
Pinball machines are not put together by technical whizz's. I am sure all the companies use the cheapest labour possible.
But no coil sleeves? Who signed off on that game?
Pinball machines are not put together by technical whizz's. I am sure all the companies use the cheapest labour possible.
