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EBay auctions 2016

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Spandangler said:
You can't use eBay as a bench mark. It's a rough guide at absolute best. I've sold games on there for less than it ended at to avoid fees, as do most people. Most games are shilled up to a frenzy and reappear days/weeks/months later. Or some poor noob gets had.
CFTBL is at best £2500.
If someone is buying as a noob,as many are, as I did, eBay was the only place I thought of. When I found the ukpinball group later as a result of trying to find repair advice, I quickly realised I paid waaaaaaaay to much and could have saved a fortune on here. Ultimately selling at a loss.
There is a definite increase of people appearing on the forum who paid to much for their first machine on eBay and try and demand back what they paid. Which creates a culture of high prices.

I think the biggest problem comes when a nice example of a game fetches a high price, Joe bloggs pitches his average example at the same price, as that's obviously the going rate........ right?

There's the good old argument of supply and demand and it's worth what someone is willing to pay etc.. but I believe waiting for the right price pays off in the end.
there's also a lot of wheeling and dealing behind closed doors which don't even get advertised on here.
I have PM's from people calling dibs on every single one of my games (except Fishtales :mad:) so when it comes to sell, they'll get a call and likewise I have dibs out left right and centre.

**** it pay what you like, it's your money. Just don't expect to see it back. I just like to see a hobby remain affordable which has already spiralled way out of control

Anyway I'm bored at work. Can you tell!!
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Christ, I can tell :) Context people, context. The guy said he was bidding on a CFTBL and he didn't know what it would go up to. I said I wouldn't be surprised, having seen a few go on there mostly around £3500, if it didn't end at a similar figure. I'm not encouraging anyone to pay that for one. If there is a message to be taken from it, the message is don't bloody bother bidding on it because it will go for a high figure and you will never end up buying that first pin. An endless loop of bidding on stuff that goes too high and never ending up with one. Rinse and repeat.
 
How times have changed and really quickly.
I sold my totally mint CFTBL that had perfect cabinet, new p/f, good hologram, the superb tailgate mod for £3000 last year and at the time, it seemed high but the game was beautiful.
I have almost given up buying games at all now as a combination of factors have given us pinflation that is totally nutso_O
 
Lets face it alot of the games are deteriorating with age and the work is not being done to keep them top notch, yet the price on that machine is still going up. As you say average to tatty machines are commanding top notch prices because they've valued it at 'the going rate'.
Will you ever see a tatty taf sold on the forum at a reasonable price against the amount manufactured. I don't think so.

There's alot of people that spend many hours restoring the machines into a lovely condition. But the truth is they won't make the money back on the machine with the price of the parts. The only way to keep the price down is to keep the machine in the exact same condition as when you first bought it. i.e broken ramps, knackered kickouts, smashed plastics. Hence the deterioration of the machines.
Nobody wants to spend hundreds of pounds keeping a machine in a good condition and then lose that money because it's the going rate.

I sold a lovely condition t2 for £2000 not long ago that i actually ended up losing £400 on. It didn't sell to a forum member as 'it wasn't the going rate' for that machine.

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huggers said:
Seems I chose a great time to jump in! Ahem
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Unless you jumped on about 20 years ago and stockpiled them there's never a good time!
A couple of bargains and projects do come along if you are prepared to put the work in
 
Tony said:
Unless you jumped on about 20 years ago and stockpiled them there's never a good time!
A couple of bargains and projects do come along if you are prepared to put the work in
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Yeah I'm sure you're right. It's all good I'm really in no rush, in fact I've probably already turned down one or two I should have went for. I'm sure I'll find something that takes my fancy soon
 
Lovely looking Lost world needs a bit of work but could be a stunner
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Look at this on eBay
Bally Lost World Pinball Machine
 
for some reason lost world never comes up yet it's big sister paragon does. bit too basic for me but looks tidy. would restore well
 
It is better than this: there is a story about a seller from hove selling a tom.
But to be fair there are plenty of other stories of buyers buying happily from hove.
 
My theory is that the people with the most money and pay the highest prices are the people who are least interested in maintaining them.
For some it's a passion. For others it's a lifestyle choice.


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I can't repair boards but I work hard stripping and cleaning my machines. One day I hope my passion will be matched by my knowledge.


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Jonwolf said:
My theory is that the people with the most money and pay the highest prices are the people who are least interested in maintaining them.
For some it's a passion. For others it's a lifestyle choice.


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Or are just perhaps too busy and don't have the skills! I'd rather pay a little more for a better looking machine (esp cosmetically) and then restore any mechanical issues. But I don't have the time to maintain all the stuff personally - but I still want them maintained - luckily we have Martin on the forum who is able to maintain the machines I have at a good level, and probably better than I can! :)

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Spandangler said:
You can't use eBay as a bench mark. It's a rough guide at absolute best. I've sold games on there for less than it ended at to avoid fees, as do most people. Most games are shilled up to a frenzy and reappear days/weeks/months later. Or some poor noob gets had.
CFTBL is at best £2500.
If someone is buying as a noob,as many are, as I did, eBay was the only place I thought of. When I found the ukpinball group later as a result of trying to find repair advice, I quickly realised I paid waaaaaaaay to much and could have saved a fortune on here. Ultimately selling at a loss.
There is a definite increase of people appearing on the forum who paid to much for their first machine on eBay and try and demand back what they paid. Which creates a culture of high prices.

I think the biggest problem comes when a nice example of a game fetches a high price, Joe bloggs pitches his average example at the same price, as that's obviously the going rate........ right?

There's the good old argument of supply and demand and it's worth what someone is willing to pay etc.. but I believe waiting for the right price pays off in the end.
there's also a lot of wheeling and dealing behind closed doors which don't even get advertised on here.
I have PM's from people calling dibs on every single one of my games (except Fishtales :mad:) so when it comes to sell, they'll get a call and likewise I have dibs out left right and centre.

**** it pay what you like, it's your money. Just don't expect to see it back. I just like to see a hobby remain affordable which has already spiralled way out of control

Anyway I'm bored at work. Can you tell!!
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But that applies if you are the seller also! You can wait until you get another noob or perhaps someone who wants the machine without the wait and is willing to pay for it.

I've paid for two machines that were over what some people here think they are valued at - one was an outstanding condition bride of pinbot but it was in stunning condition and I've yet to see one anywhere near its condition but plenty of average ones for not much less that I paid. I also wanted a monster bash and got lucky with one in Germany but I paid 7K for it - I have seen one other monster bash since and it wasn't in as good condition but would have waited for months for it. The one on pinside for 5K looks like it would need plenty spent on it. I've also been lucky with a couple of games I got a killer ST:TNG for just over a grand that was in great shape because the guy who had it really had no idea of the value of it but just wanted it sold cash so he can avoid giving half of it to his wife who he was divorcing! LOL

Supply and demand - given the increasing interest in pinball prices are heading in one direction - you might still get bargains if you shop wisely as you do with everything in life!

I'd actually say you will easily get your money back for ammaxhine that's in good shape and more esp if you sell through eBay! In fact selling on here is a great way to get less than you might elsewhere!

What's valuable to one at a certain price is not the same as it is for another - Addams and twilight I wouldn't pay more than 1500 for them as I think they are yawnfest games but they go for silly moneyed my opinion!

Cheers,
Neil
 
Bally lost world has stunning artwork from Bally's late 70s / early 80s high period. Paul Faris is the master - Lost World, Paragon, Centaur ... OK, let's forget about wwf royal rumble

Someone buy, refurb and love this thing. I simply do not have the space, but it would look stunning next to a Paragon.
 
Don't fear price rises!

Do fear eBay ripoff's!

They will keep on rising so long as demand supports it, but in a year or 2 or 3, you'll be wishing prices were as low as what they are today. If the bubble bursts and prices go down, people will REALLY have something to complain about. Like when property goes down in value and you end up in negative equity. Nobody wants that.
 
Won't NIB prices eventually hold pinflation?

I know there's a few classic titles that in minty condition go for more than nib but generally it's gonna make you think paying at or over nib prices for an old machine isn't it?
And if the dollar rate improved.,,.
 
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