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Agreed, UK law does not apply outside the UK, but supply of goods to the UK is subject to UK law and if an overseas supplier chooses to supply goods to the UK they must comply with UK laws in respect of supply of those goods in the UK.

The law in this case is the Value Added Tax Act 1994 Part I Supply of Goods and Section 7 of that law defines when goods are supplied in the UK and if any supplier chooses to supply goods to the UK they have to comply with UK laws, regardless of where they are located. In the case of supplying goods to the UK that includes registering for and charging UK VAT on goods they choose to supply to the UK that are valued less than £135, wherever in the world they are located.

Explains why various overseas suppliers have minimum order size greater than £135 or simply can't be bothered supplying to the UK.
 
Asiapinball said:
Agreed, UK law does not apply outside the UK, but supply of goods to the UK is subject to UK law and if an overseas supplier chooses to supply goods to the UK they must comply with UK laws in respect of supply of those goods in the UK.

The law in this case is the Value Added Tax Act 1994 Part I Supply of Goods and Section 7 of that law defines when goods are supplied in the UK and if any supplier chooses to supply goods to the UK they have to comply with UK laws, regardless of where they are located. In the case of supplying goods to the UK that includes registering for and charging UK VAT on goods they choose to supply to the UK that are valued less than £135, wherever in the world they are located.

Explains why various overseas suppliers have minimum order size greater than £135 or simply can't be bothered supplying to the UK.
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no no- they don't have to. Its the IMPORTERS responsibility irrespective of the value. Its like getting caught speeding in Spain. They will send you a ticket, they will even send the police round, but they have _ZERO_ power in actually doing anything about it.
 
We will have to agree to disagree on who is responsible for collecting the VAT on goods under £135. All the guidance I have ever read state that its the seller not the importer that is responsible, although I believe there is a way for sellers to pass on their responsibility to the shipper (I think Marco does this).

And anyone can choose whether to comply with other countries laws be they speeding or paying tax and they can chose whether to comply with any (unenforceable) enforcement action taken against them including a speeding fine. Opinions will differ as to whether lack of enforceability justifies non-compliance.
 

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You can't place a law into a jurisdiction you have no legal authority on. It's that simple.

it would be like the US saying, ITS LEGAL TO HAVE GUNS IN THE UK - and we could all pop down to the local spar and pick up a deagle .50 cal with our cornflakes and bog roll.

Neil.
 
Its not like that at alk as uk is not placing a law into a foreign jurisldiction.

The law for the overseas supplier to collect uk vat is a uk law that applies to the UK jurisdiction when an overseas supplier supplies goods in the UK to a UK individual.

It works in exactly the same way as the uk laws that prevent US suppliers sending guns to the UK so that we can't pick up a 0.5 cal at the local spar.

Overseas suppliers need to follow our uk laws on exporting to the UK whether it is about what they can send or what have to do or pay to be able to send the goods.
 
Asiapinball said:
Its not like that at alk as uk is not placing a law into a foreign jurisldiction.

The law for the overseas supplier to collect uk vat is a uk law that applies to the UK jurisdiction when an overseas supplier supplies goods in the UK to a UK individual.

It works in exactly the same way as the uk laws that prevent US suppliers sending guns to the UK so that we can't pick up a 0.5 cal at the local spar.

Overseas suppliers need to follow our uk laws on exporting to the UK whether it is about what they can send or what have to do or pay to be able to send the goods.
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when the revolution comes I know who's door not to knock on!
 
s000m said:
My experience was the exact opposite recently.

As the value of my goods was over £135 they shouldn't have put VAT on the order. So I paid VAT on the parcel leaving MInistry of PInball and VAT to Parcelforce when it reached the UK.

I now have to fill in a Customs form to the HMRC to request a refund on the extra VAT paid.

Brexit is such a f'ing joke.
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@Lecari paid import and customs on a big Ministry of Pinball order too.🤔 Just thought it was normal because of the high value.
 
David_Vi said:
@Lecari paid import and customs on a big Ministry of Pinball order too.🤔 Just thought it was normal because of the high value.
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Paying imports is normal, paying VAT twice isn't.

Its best to check the invoice you have from Ministry of Pinball and see if VAT was excluded.

Cheers,

Scott
 
s000m said:
Paying imports is normal, paying VAT twice isn't.

Its best to check the invoice you have from Ministry of Pinball and see if VAT was excluded.

Cheers,

Scott
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Agreed. MOP should not be charging you the 21% NL VAT on goods they export:

business.gov.nl

Exporting goods outside the EU

When you export products outside the EU, you have to file an export declaration with Customs and apply the 0% VAT tariff. Find out what else.
business.gov.nl business.gov.nl

And MOP should not be including 20% UK VAT on their invoice if goods were valued at over £135 as this is dealt with at the border, not at point of sale. If MOP charged you any VAT on their invoice they did it wrong.
 
This lovely mod by @RudeDogg1 arrived yesterday was well packed. Looks stunning in real life, top class again mate can't wait to get it installed.

The quality in the casting is flawless.
 

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The days when Martin has been while I’m at work never get old! It makes all the running around I’ve done in past few weeks delivering games I’ve loaned to friends worthwhile!

I sold this MM over 4 years ago and always regretted it as it’s the nicest unrestored original I’ve seen. Also amazing to see ‘first dibs buyback’ honoured so long after selling

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Picked up a Scared Stiff the other week, had been wanting one for a long time but had pretty much ruled myself out of ever finding one over the last few years. Then this one turned up which apparently had entered a tip as e-waste and a worker there thought it was too good to smash up. I could see under all the grime and battery leak damage that there was a good solid table to be rescued, so I've given her a good old scrub and put her to work in our arcade. Definitely pleased with how this one turned out.

Issues included woodscrews forced into the left flipper bushing causing it to be skewed and binding the flipper against the table, the ramp trap door section needed rebuilding, loads of switches needing replacing, the backbox MDF stinks of capacitor electrolyte, I think the caps in the power supply HV section had a bit of a meltdown. And of course, good old battery corrosion killing five logic chips. The batteries had a bit of cardboard shoved between them saying '2013'! And the whole table needed a very thorough clean as it was spectacularly filthy!

The Boney Beast was having a cold shower when these pictures were taken.

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Gory details:

Never seen copper sulphate growing out of a chips legs so proudly!

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More dirty legs:

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Thats crazy.. Good to know it been saved and on its way back to its former glory.. Makes you wonder how many pins were skipped
 
It's not pinball but it's pinballs fault. I watched all the Bond films in excited anticipation of the Stern releases but we know how that went and I decided to keep my dosh safely in my bank.

Then an auction house near me had a Bond auction and I dialled in online to have a punt on the mint Omega 007 watch, which went for silly money so I bought myself 33 miniature Bond cars to display in the man cave, as you do.

I went to collect them and the auction house had just had a car auction and parked outside was an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage. I test drove it and fell in love, this wasn't the one I went with, I found a much nicer one which was stored over winter and arrived a few nights ago.

I might not have his pin but I feel like I have Bond's car which will do for me!

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J.C.Rox said:
It's not pinball but it's pinballs fault. I watched all the Bond films in excited anticipation of the Stern releases but we know how that went and I decided to keep my dosh safely in my bank.

Then an auction house near me had a Bond auction and I dialled in online to have a punt on the mint Omega 007 watch, which went for silly money so I bought myself 33 miniature Bond cars to display in the man cave, as you do.

I went to collect them and the auction house had just had a car auction and parked outside was an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage. I test drove it and fell in love, this wasn't the one I went with, I found a much nicer one which was stored over winter and arrived a few nights ago.

I might not have his pin but I feel like I have Bond's car which will do for me!

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ah the jag-martin LOL nice! congrats - take it to an AM specialist and get them to check out all the electrical looms, the bushings on the front and rear suspension/steering and the exhaust manifold, the bushings make an insane difference in this car.

I had a DB9 years ago that was stunning but AM ended up buying back of me because of endless electrical issues; the car was in the garage longer than I drove it - but a total black out one Christmas night on the north circular and that was it. Abandoned the thing and got a taxi home and let AM recover it. Things have moved on a lot now with AM and some proper investment going into it.

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Neil McRae said:
ah the jag-martin LOL nice! congrats - take it to an AM specialist and get them to check out all the electrical looms, the bushings on the front and rear suspension/steering and the exhaust manifold, the bushings make an insane difference in this car.

I had a DB9 years ago that was stunning but AM ended up buying back of me because of endless electrical issues; the car was in the garage longer than I drove it - but a total black out one Christmas night on the north circular and that was it. Abandoned the thing and got a taxi home and let AM recover it. Things have moved on a lot now with AM and some proper investment going into it.

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Yeah yeah the Jag-Ford parts bin combo 🤣

It went to an AM specialist for a pre-purchase inspection, they guys there tinkered on a few things they found over winter at the buyers expense and kept it dry stored for me, said it was one of the nicest examples they'd seen.

The guy there had a DB9 and said the electrics were a nightmare! 🤪
 
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