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carl lawrence said:
[QUOTE="AndyB53, post: 322018, member: 3042" Many years ago I had a Ford Capri 3000e that was fitted with a Wade Supercharger. I eventually sold it for nearly £2500 more than a standard model.
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Bet you wished you kept hold of that Capri as thay go for silly money now ! As I had a ford escort , definitely should not of sold that !:)
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Yup Ii wish I had kept it but by far my biggest regret (apart from getting married), was I owned a Plymouth Superbird 440 Hemi. I sold it for £4000 profit in 1977 and though I was "jack the lad" making that profit. Now it is worth north of £400,000! B-llocks!!!
 
I remember a pinball arcade in Australia closed down in the early nineties and the machines were offered for sale at $200. People were saying at the time the price was too high. Someone bought all 15 machines.Titles included,cactus canyon,tz,addams family,raiders,and Med madness to name a few.He still has them.Did he pay high or low?
 
About 4 years ago I was contacted by someone asking to buy my Centaur. I wasn't planning to sell it but I asked him to make an offer. He said £4k. I told him that was way too much for a Centaur and we eventually did a deal for a much lower price.

I'm sure that there will be plenty on here who will think I was stupid. But I still got a good price, and my experience in life is that being fair with people rather than shafting them for whatever you can get pays dividends in the long run.

There are people on here and on Ebay who I actively avoid buying from and advise others to do the same. Many people had their first experience of owning a pinball ruined by buying overpriced rubbish from the old Pinball Paradise in Blackpool, another seller who sold for whatever he could get
 
M4carp said:
That was bloody cheap! I paid £500 for a Dr Who in about 2000.
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As it turns out it was.But at the time the general consensus was they were too dear to buy.Expanding on that I bought The Mafia this year(the machine!) and probably paid over the odds.Why? apart from liking the theme and retro style it really plays hard.In the end it was my choice to buy.There were plenty of threads canning the price of the game but I still chose to buy it.As I previously stated in an earlier email on this thread there will always be someone interested be it a 65k TZ,100k supreme or a dollar fifty for a stuffed pinball machine.
 
So, bearing in mind the previous comments on this thread note the comments this guy makes about his game:


"These pinballs increase in value year after year. You will never lose money on buying one of these"

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DAD said:
So, bearing in mind the previous comments on this thread note the comments this guy makes about his game:


"These pinballs increase in value year after year. You will never lose money on buying one of these"

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Not sure what point you are trying to make here. If you refer to the pinball database and read comments on this machine it suggests there will be interested parties.And for others it is a no go.
 
The point is that when someone puts a ridiculous price on their machine they will always mention the investment potential and the buoyancy of the market. Which goes to show who their target market is as any seasoned buyer would a) not need to be told and b) not fall for that crap
 
gold1 said:
Not sure what point you are trying to make here. If you refer to the pinball database and read comments on this machine it suggests there will be interested parties.And for others it is a no go.
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Well if I told you "buy this machine from me at £18k, because you are guaranteed to be able to sell it for more", would you believe me?

My point is no-one can guarantee prices will always go up, and if you pay over the odds to start with you are far more likely to lose money when you try and sell, even in a rising market.

I've looked at IPDB as you suggested , and don't see anything there that suggests people are keen to pay something like 10 times or more the typical value of a 40 year old game for this particular title, even if the theme does broaden the appeal beyond the usual pool of buyers

But, if someone proves me wrong fair enough. I guess there are always people who have so much money the price doesn't really matter, and if their "thing" is Ali then I guess they will take it. I just don't like the idea that newbies can be sold a line that it doesn't matter how much you pay because there will always be someone who will pay more (just like Bitcoin, or Tulips, ha!) - That's known as "The Bigger Fool Theory" and usually ends up hurting people who can't afford it
 
stumblor said:
The point is that when someone puts a ridiculous price on their machine they will always mention the investment potential and the buoyancy of the market. Which goes to show who their target market is as any seasoned buyer would a) not need to be told and b) not fall for that crap
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All I would like to ask is if that machine sold at the asking price is that still a ridiculous price? The same question could be posed for say an Alien LE selling for $500.Is that a ridiculous price?
 
gold1 said:
All I would like to ask is if that machine sold at the asking price is that still a ridiculous price? The same question could be posed for say an Alien LE selling for $500.Is that a ridiculous price?
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Yes and Yes, and I wish all questions were that easy :p
 
DAD said:
Well if I told you "buy this machine from me at £18k, because you are guaranteed to be able to sell it for more", would you believe me?

My point is no-one can guarantee prices will always go up, and if you pay over the odds to start with you are far more likely to lose money when you try and sell, even in a rising market.

I've looked at IPDB as you suggested , and don't see anything there that suggests people are keen to pay something like 10 times or more the typical value of a 40 year old game for this particular title, even if the theme does broaden the appeal beyond the usual pool of buyers

But, if someone proves me wrong fair enough. I guess there are always people who have so much money the price doesn't really matter, and if their "thing" is Ali then I guess they will take it. I just don't like the idea that newbies can be sold a line that it doesn't matter how much you pay because there will always be someone who will pay more (just like Bitcoin, or Tulips, ha!) - That's known as "The Bigger Fool Theory" and usually ends up hurting people who can't afford it
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Look again at the database and see comments like this is a keeper. For me it is not because the theme does not interest me.For others it does.This notion of protecting newbies is equally fraught with danger IMO as it stifles a learning experience.
 
gold1 said:
Look again at the database and see comments like this is a keeper. For me it is not because the theme does not interest me.For others it does.This notion of protecting newbies is equally fraught with danger IMO as it stifles a learning experience.
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That is an incredibly flawed argument, as though dropping 16k is the only way to learn. That's the equivalent of sending someone up Everest with no experience, and telling them not to worry, it's best to learn as you go!
 
stumblor said:
That is an incredibly flawed argument, as though dropping 16k is the only way to learn. That's the equivalent of sending someone up Everest with no experience, and telling them not to worry, it's best to learn as you go!
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Is it? what if it turned out the buyer sold later at a profit?
 
gold1 said:
Is it? what if it turned out the buyer sold later at a profit?
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And what if they used a credit card that they couldn't afford on the proviso that they'd get their money back, and didn't get anything close to what they paid?

Something that could easily be avoided, and learned from, with some judicious advice. And at far less risk.
 
stumblor said:
And what if they used a credit card that they couldn't afford on the proviso that they'd get their money back, and didn't get anything close to what they paid?

Something that could easily be avoided, and learned from, with some judicious advice. And at far less risk.
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And what if that advice proved counter productive in any way shape or form? Would you then take it all onboard as the wise oracle that missed the intention?
 
gold1 said:
And what if that advice proved counter productive in any way shape or form? Would you then take it all onboard as the wise oracle that missed the intention?
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So you're saying that taking advice is never a good idea since it could prove counter productive?
 
As an enthusiast i'm only really concerned with:

A: Can I afford it comfortably without worry?
B: Is it worth it for the amount of enjoyment time i'm likely to get out of it?
C: When/if I get bored of it, how much could I potentially lose selling?

If my potential financial loss is around 10% ish i'll swallow that to get my next game and keep the pin buzz going. Any more and i start buying tons of weetabix and skimmed milk to live on.
 
At the other end of this argument is the guy in Croydon selling a Next Generation for £1500. It now appears that as he has had so many interested, he is changing the price and inviting interested people to submit bid Cheeky sod! I also sold a Getaway for £3200 and took a £500 non refundable deposit, Now the guy tells me he cannot afford it and thinks he paid too much. Sorry but that is the point of a deposit!
 
AndyB53 said:
At the other end of this argument is the guy in Croydon selling a Next Generation for £1500. It now appears that as he has had so many interested, he is changing the price and inviting interested people to submit bid Cheeky sod! I also sold a Getaway for £3200 and took a £500 non refundable deposit, Now the guy tells me he cannot afford it and thinks he paid too much. Sorry but that is the point of a deposit!
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You think its cheeky to make a bid to someone that made a mistake on value, over your sale of a £3200 Getaway and keeping a £500 deposit? Hahahaha. Great stuff.
 
My getaway is off to slovakia as no one in uk was willing to go above £1200 . Might drop the next machine in a swamp and put in duff boards as thats what people seem to want.
 
steve brum said:
My getaway is off to slovakia as no one in uk was willing to go above £1200 . Might drop the next machine in a swamp and put in duff boards as thats what people seem to want.
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There were quite a few for sale recently maybe that’s why.
Managed to get nearly £2k for mine a few months ago, was a nice original one.
But yeah drag it through a swamp and you will be quids in!
 
Rus121 said:
You think its cheeky to make a bid to someone that made a mistake on value, over your sale of a £3200 Getaway and keeping a £500 deposit? Hahahaha. Great stuff.
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What you are forgetting is that it was NOT an auction! It was a FIXED PRICE! and he has now got greedy. Do you think that is right? As for my sale. I sold it for an agreed price, took a NON REFUNDABLE deposit. Now they guy has changed his mind. What would you do in these circumstances? Give him his money back? Yeah right!!
 
AndyB53 said:
What you are forgetting is that it was NOT an auction! It was a FIXED PRICE! and he has now got greedy. Do you think that is right? As for my sale. I sold it for an agreed price, took a NON REFUNDABLE deposit. Now they guy has changed his mind. What would you do in these circumstances? Give him his money back? Yeah right!!
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I offered no opinion on greed, or the legality of auctions or deposits. Simply that it's far more 'cheeky' for you to sell a Getaway for over £3K and keep a new buyers deposit than it is to ask for more money when you realise you've messed up on the price. Do I think it's right? No. I think its inevitable.

I hope you never feel the pain of being financially dry bummed on a pin deal. Its certainly not something i would perpetuate to a new buyer by keeping their deposit, so yes. I'd have given it back. Minus your costs of course, assuming there were any at all.
 
steve brum said:
My getaway is off to slovakia as no one in uk was willing to go above £1200 . Might drop the next machine in a swamp and put in duff boards as thats what people seem to want.
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Nah. They just want to buy from people that won't try to do them over.
 
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