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New EU Tariffs push pinball prices up 25%

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CHRIS B PINBALLS said:
And doesn’t spend more time back at the garage than being driven
What about Bentley or Aston Martin
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I had an Aston Martin DB9 2006 ****ign terrible car lots of little niggles that drove me nuts then it broke down amusingly on Christmas Eve 2006 on the Finchley section of the North Circular where it goes 4 lanes. Kaput, no power steering or brake hydraulics! I had to push it to the side of the road which nearly killed me just getting it to turn. AM bought it back off me. Bentley is just too much of a barge for me.
 
All this will be sorted out in time I suspect when buying parts from Europe then you will just have to pay the vat when they come in bit like America but I doubt the European s will take that in to consideration so will make parts 20% more
 
The 900 age doc can be controlled F’d and matches this sentiment. Plus look at the political narrative, Truss wants the USA on favourable terms and why wouldn’t she, we have the power to sign the chlorinated chicken bonanza agreement.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55242859

Caveats, clauses and the like aside. Stapling my ******** to the balustrade (don’t ask, but I am sticking with it) - why would we impose it? I can’t see it chaps and whatever your cynical view on clauses etc. The facts remain at this stage it’s 0%.
 
Neil McRae said:
I had an Aston Martin DB9 2006 ****ign terrible car lots of little niggles that drove me nuts then it broke down amusingly on Christmas Eve 2006 on the Finchley section of the North Circular where it goes 4 lanes. Kaput, no power steering or brake hydraulics! I had to push it to the side of the road which nearly killed me just getting it to turn. AM bought it back off me. Bentley is just too much of a barge for me.
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Lol.....A number of peeps bought AMs after Casino Royale in 2006 with the DBS that appeared in that movie. Beautiful motor vehicles.....
Most who know about high end cars also know Aston Martins are very problematic.
If I had the dosh 💰 , I’d stick with high end German or Japanese 👍
 
Fan-****ing-tastic. Got 95% of my collection from Europe.

I guess this means Pinball Heaven won't be selling pins into Europe either then. As the 25% tarrif is just a swap for their countries import VAT and shipping.

Where's the Charlie Sheen gif



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I reckon smuggling goods will now become a thing with undercover man in van types.

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(With apologies for having gone off thread!)

Surprising, thought the XC had a good rep, and were probably the best 'tarmac tourers' out of the Multistrada, GS, ADV 1290 and XC. Do you still have a ride? My other ride is a little crf250l.
 
Problems with the Triumph Tiger XC:
I waited 6 months to get this BTW, nightmare:
- Brakes, sh^t - remember that scene in Titanic when they see the iceberg, but the ship keeps moving towards it? That’s what this bikes like when you thrown the anchor out, should have had Brembos....think new model has them now
- High speed weave , something not right with the geometry at high speed. Changed the tyres to Michelin, didn’t make a difference
- Two up with pillion, Mrs refused to go on this bike to IOMTT with me as she was sliding all over the place so had to take a different bike. Bike feels unstable 2 up.
- Centre of gravity is off, fully fuelled the weight is held high up, reservoir in tank too high
- Triumph brain fart had cruise control activation on the throttle handle bar
- Centre stand position hits your foot position when resting on the foot pegs, so annoying
- You cannot take this machine off road, far too heavy. If you drop it... good luck picking it back up in the mud. You have more chance moving a planet out of orbit.

The list goes on.......

I just sold my Ducati Diavel Carbon which was ok as a second bike, sold my track bike Daytona 675.
Down to one bike now matey, 2nd gen ZZR 1400 👍 which I love.
 
Ah, was aware of some of those (high COG and weave), though of course you wouldn't take a GS far off a fire road, either. Also, I know there is much love around for the ZZR 1400:thumbs:

Oh, and the Diavel Carbon is one mean looking bike, a work of art. Daytona 675, nice!
 
I was a Honda motorbike man. Always ended buying Honda but I always looked around and always wanted to like a Triumph but found it hard on a test ride to love them.
Last time round Honda hadn’t done enough to keep me interested and I ended up with a BMW S1000XR. I couldn’t get on the the GS.
The XR is awesome to ride but every time it goes for a service something major happens. They wrote the swing arm off removing the brake callipers on the 1 year service. The fuel pipe was found to be crimped incorrectly to the fuel pump on the second. BMW’s aftercare is legendary and the bikes are a work of mad geniuses but I don’t think the bikes are bullet proof. But then nothing is at the moment.
 
Sako-TRG said:
Manufacturing, bulk buying etc.... it’s crazy.
My Mrs used to work as a UK Sales Manager bringing in shipping containers from China on a daily basis full of stuff for wholesale.
I was amazed at what the Chinese manufacturers could make and for what little cost - unbelievable how they could even make a profit.
So looking at pinball parts, a niche market to the biggest manaufacturer Stern. You can bet your life Stern will exploit the situation.
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You need only look at Aliexpress if you want to get a sense as a consumer of the sort of penny profits involved here. I’ve bought a few cosmetic bits and pieces for my car from there, and delivery to the UK from China has either been free or negligible cost.

On the basis they must still be turning a profit you can see why US and UK companies (well everywhere really) are creaming money from Chinese parts and labour.

I can well believe there is profit in it for Stern and co selling to employees at “£4k” or whatever. At the end of the day, look at a pinball machine and tell me what is so outrageous about it to make it as expensive as it is?
 
Durzel said:
You need only look at Aliexpress if you want to get a sense as a consumer of the sort of penny profits involved here. I’ve bought a few cosmetic bits and pieces for my car from there, and delivery to the UK from China has either been free or negligible cost.

On the basis they must still be turning a profit you can see why US and UK companies (well everywhere really) are creaming money from Chinese parts and labour.

I can well believe there is profit in it for Stern and co selling to employees at “£4k” or whatever. At the end of the day, look at a pinball machine and tell me what is so outrageous about it to make it as expensive as it is?
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Ali express prices will be +20% from 1st Jan. they are now having to charge VAT to uk customers.

On the subject of why a pinball is the price it is. It’s not just the cost of parts. there is design and software. sales and marketing and a manufacturers profit margin to add in then of course dealers and retailers profit, shipping costs and sales taxes. it soon adds up


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Fixed cost of the huge factory also plays a part!


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AlanJ said:
On the subject of why a pinball is the price it is. It’s not just the cost of parts. there is design and software. sales and marketing and a manufacturers profit margin to add in then of course dealers and retailers profit, shipping costs and sales taxes. it soon adds up


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Of course, is it viable to make pinballs as a business? Stern have proven it is. - Capex - Opex.
They have been practically giving pins away to certain Stern employees to just over the cost of the BOM.
 
Sako-TRG said:
Of course, is it viable to make pinballs as a business? Stern have proven it is. - Capex - Opex.
They have been practically giving pins away to certain Stern employees to just over the cost of the BOM.
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I really don’t know where this given pins away at cost to employees comes from as I said before 80% don’t give a **** about pinball and are low paid casual workers who just do not have that amount of disposable income maybe to more senior people yes but to be honest why not it’s a great thing for staff morale
It’s a bit like saying to an Audi technician you can have the r8 at cost no one would be able to afford it anyway
 
^^^ Chris, with respect, I don’t think you can pigeon hole all workers on the line at Stern as being stuck for cash. Peeps may be retired or semi retired and just like to work there and keep their hand in being employed.
For example, I used to work a much higher level position but I decided to go back on the tools as a Field Engineer for an easy life, now I get paid sh^t but get the work life balance.
This came from a good source - Chris Kooluris who actually got in this sh^t with his friends as was told to keep quiet- he dropped a few of his mates in the dog house with Stern as they told him what they got an LE for and said it does happen.
This was inside knowledge so Stern know it leaked from within and the guys were ****ed when Chris leaked it on his Podcast.
He cannot help himself leaking info, that’s who he is 😂

Edit: Stern are very good at keeping a lid on things, you never know what cloak + dagger routine is going on over there, it really wouldn’t surprise me at all.
 
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I don't really see what the issue is here one way or the other in terms of profitability or anything else really.

If a Stern employee a) wants a game, b) can afford to spend several grand on a game and c) Stern allows him or her to buy the game at whatever discounted rate they see fit then great.

If not then who cares?
 
andy said:
I don't really see what the issue is here one way or the other in terms of profitability or anything else really.

If a Stern employee a) wants a game, b) can afford to spend several grand on a game and c) Stern allows him or her to buy the game at whatever discounted rate they see fit then great.

If not then who cares?
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Exactly what i was going to say. This is the problem with that clown on his podcast, who gives a **** what stern employees get discounted , good on them I say. Hard work = rewards
 
^^ I think your misunderstanding the point. He wasn’t annoyed that Stern employees were getting discounted pins. He was relaying the fact that Stern could still turn a very small profit, on selling pins to staff at the price point.
 
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