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I've lowered the reserve to 20% over what the pin owes me plus I've had to pay a fair whack to have the reserve on there in the first place.
it's not so much about selling the thing,i was just curious.
i'm going to try to be less curious in the future lol
 
No more good pins for sale on here, all going to eBay. Let's all fuel the pinball price increase for ourselves :tut:
 
If they're genuine bids I can see this hitting 7.5k.... This I think it is going to get picked up by a dealer then Flipped for 10k......

Best get playing it before it goes!

Nice machine though!
 
i think the only reason its up at so much is the fact that robert lucas put in a big bid i doubt it will go up anymore but lets see
i hate ebay and only use as a last resort
 
Im out at £6.5k I will not go any higher, as with all the pins I have had I always offer it the seller back at the same price, so if I did end up with it you could have it back for the same price once Im fed up of it.
We dont want to loose it to the ebay world, keep it moving in the group :)
 
Im out at £6.5k I will not go any higher, as with all the pins I have had I always offer it the seller back at the same price, so if I did end up with it you could have it back for the same price once Im fed up of it.
We dont want to loose it to the ebay world, keep it moving in the group :)

Now £6600!

The world has gone insane:eek:

Just shows there is no such thing as 'what something is worth', more like 'it's just what a person will pay' - perceived value!
 
No more good pins for sale on here, all going to eBay. Let's all fuel the pinball price increase for ourselves :tut:
Unless someone is very well off, it's perfectly understandable that they would want to sell for the highest price.... If that happens to be ebay then so be it.

Just another marketplace.

Pinball is having a mini resurgence, with limited second hand supplies and increased demand prices have risen....even on here. Was always gonna happen.
 
That is the issue, problem.

Realistically if someone offers say 3k for a TAF and you know you can get 4k on ebay, who on earth would accept 3k?

It would be like just handing £1000 to a mate in a pub and saying, go on, have a few pints on me;)

It has made it very difficult to buy nice pins now, but this is the market as it stands and it is very difficult to go against the tide.....
 
It's not flipping if it's bought at 7.5k unless you mean Shaun boy

Makes me smile these posts as Griz says everyone wants what they can get and all buyers want it cheap.

It's the way of the World,

I think this pin is worth 4k but if Shaunboy gets 7.5k good luck to him
 
Me too. It doesn't owe you a penny, you chose to spend your time and money on it.

Not dissing anyone here, it's just a pet hate of mine. Let me illustrate:

If you add £500 of mods to a game, that was your choice, you got them new because you wanted them, and they most likely included £3-400 of profit to whichever enterprising young company produced them. More power to them, we all appreciate they're available. But when you sell that game, you can't just say it's worth £500 more than you paid, that's bull. Those mods are now not new, they're used, and the buyer most likely didn't choose them, though they may be happy they're included. Add something to the value for including them second hand if you want, or swap them off and sell separately, but don't pretend you don't profit by adding the new price in and saying you broke even.

As GrizZ says, it's a marketplace and was predictable, and I have no problem with folk riding the wave of prices, it means our hobby is buoyant. The only bits I really hate are the guys who spot a bargain and resell within almost no time at a way higher price. These guys use the buoyant market to fund their lives, they cause the rises way more than increased interest.

/Rant over
 
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Player or collector?

Like it or not, the Pinball marketplace is akin to Classic car collections. If you want a mint edition then you have no choice but to pay the going rate unless you drop on extremely lucky.
I've paid premium for a few of mine and don't regret it because it's an investment and I treasure the machines. I'm a player and a collector btw.
I also mod and upgrade them, I'm not particularly anal about keeping them as they were made so will add invisiglass, colour dmd, pinsound, nice mods etc.

Being realistic the only chance you get of grabbing a mint restored top 5 machine thats 23-24 years old is paying for the work that someone has put love into a machine restoring it, spending 100+ hours at least. Either that or time travel back to the early 90s.

I very recently saw a TAF on a enthusiast forum in the states get listed for $13k (£10,600) but it was mint right down to every last screw. Whilst I think that is a little optimistic, people are happily buying new Stern LE's for 8 and 9 grand and they aren't a patch on this machine gameplay and build wise.

But there's always TAFs for sale at much less, some beat up, some OK and it's a great, great game whatever you paid.
 
Pinball market is a strange beast. In most areas of collecting mint original is always where it is at and then restored/mint comes next but doesn't seem to be the case in the pinball world.

I have seen the phrase, 'what it owes me' used frequently in the last 8 years and single handedly it pushes prices up and up.

Buy game for £2000.

Add delivery £85
Mods say £200

So, next time it sells for £2300 and onwards it goes.

Never seen this in any other hobby - but it becomes an urban myth after a while:rolleyes:

Never worked for me as I have lost tons selling games but it is just another hobby to me and all hobbies cost money.

That said, market is so crazy at the moment, even I would make a buck if I sell anything now:eek:
 
Shall we get off shaunyboy's back for using that sentence? Kept it in this community when he probably could have sold it for more elsewhere? Nobody likes losing money.
 
In the long term, it's the buyers who set the market prices, not sellers. If the prices are too high then they wouldn't sell. TAF prices keep going up because buyers are forced to pay higher prices or miss out to another buyer who is willing to pay the price.
 
Shall we get off shaunyboy's back for using that sentence? Kept it in this community when he probably could have sold it for more elsewhere? Nobody likes losing money.
That's why it is not personal.
I doubt anyone in pinball has not thought the same as it just seems to be deeply embedded in the hobby.
It's kind of like an unwritten rule and once learned, everyone does it.
No idea when it first started but it has been a big factor in continuing price rises.
 
Quite interesting that TAF is the highest in terms of production run (compared to something like MM) but commands increasingly high prices, must be so many battered old dogs out there!
 
I sold my TAF for 2.75k less than 2 years ago, had planned on rebuying a nicer one, so I'm gutted really about the price rises.

I wonder if PPS did a remake, would that slow the price rises down? Probably not as it would be priced the same as MM no doubt.
 
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