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Ebay Auctions 2015

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Fishy used to be the first choice started pin as its very playable lots to do and some nice toys. not any more it seems
 
Judge Dreads said:
Wins the dirtiest pin of the year award :thumbs:, must have taken some serious time and effort to get it that dirty, fair play.
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Who needs mylar when you could just have a layer of muck to protect the play field :D

They used to come up for sale all the time on ebay but no so much nowadays.
 
So it looks like they put a single shill bid in of £1000 then retracted the bid to get the price up. Why not just start the auction at £1000?

Probably more shilling to come...
 
mark9 said:
So it looks like they put a single shill bid in of £1000 then retracted the bid to get the price up. Why not just start the auction at £1000?
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I think there's a perceived wisdom that starting at a low price lets more people get invested at lower bids and this makes them more likely to continue bidding, even past a point where they might not have put an initial bid in if the auction started with a high opening bid. No idea if theres anything to it but I've heard a few people mention it.

Obvious shilling would defeat this purpose I'd have thought, but who understands some people? :)

The other thing I don't get on eBay nowadays is "Private auctions" where you can't see even redacted details of the bidders. I don't get the point of this function - All it does for me is say "The guy who raised this auction wants to hide his obvious shilling by a (0) feedback account - AVOID"
 
mark9 said:
So it looks like they put a single shill bid in of £1000 then retracted the bid to get the price up. Why not just start the auction at £1000?

Probably more shilling to come...
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Except it was not a single bid at £1000 - it was several bids from £500 upwards... which then maxed out the other two who had left it on an automatic bidding and then retracted once they had gone past the others maximums.
 
I'm only seeing one bid on my screen, a proxy bid of £1000 on 19th October 18.01....although I see now it wasn't retracted by the bidder but cancelled by the seller, which is the same thing really as it's probably the same person. (Unless the seller didn't want a low feedback bidder winning the auction so cancelled the bid, you can't always assume that every auction is shilled.)
 
mark9 said:
I'm only seeing one bid on my screen, a proxy bid of £1000 on 19th October 18.01....although I see now it wasn't retracted by the bidder but cancelled by the seller, which is the same thing really as it's probably the same person. (Unless the seller didn't want a low feedback bidder winning the auction so cancelled the bid, you can't always assume that every auction is shilled.)
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There were a lot more bids (I saw the bidding before it was retracted. This was after following Steve's original post about it reaching 1K and me wondering if it had been shilled) but the retraction just shows the one (final) amount.
 
steve brum said:
A nice project for someone .

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Space-shuttle-Pinball-/252137268246?hash=item3ab48d6416:g:ZTgAAOSwT5tWKVPJ

and being pre dot matrix will put 90% of newbies off lol

the game that saved pinball. All Shuttles tend to be played to death but the cab dings and playfield wear give them the lived in arcade feel. bad glass is a common downer but this one's looks ok.
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I am seriously tempted by this as space shuttle is one of my grails. What do people think it's worth out of interest?
 
The listing on space shuttle says that it is not worn to the wood, this is debunked by the second photo.

So the usual judgement call must be made about the veracity of the seller and what other claims are spurious. Is this guy
  • Amateur/ noob and this is a genuine mistake as you can't see much wood ?
  • Liar ?
  • Careless chap that can't see the blindingly obvious ?
 
"This Guy" has been an operator in the Pinball industry for probably thirty to forty years. He was one of the chaps who ran the Pinball Parlour in Ramsgate. He's more into EM machines than newer games, and maybe doesn't look at playfield wear like some of us do.

I have bought and sold games off him with no problems.
 
the SS seller is judging by the standard of other SS that often have no artwork left at all. seller is the opposite of a noob and has probably been through more machines than anyone else in the UK
 
my SS playfield is very acceptable to me but someone used to newer games would see the trough and top lane area as excessive wear. One reason the repro playfield was very popular in th US
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steve brum said:
the SS seller is judging by the standard of other SS that often have no artwork left at all. seller is the opposite of a noob and has probably been through more machines than anyone else in the UK
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Indeed.

'Wear' is all relative. Many, if not all, pre DMD games will show wear that people would have a heart attack if they saw on a modern game ...but thats just the way it is. Old games, unprotected playfields, played a gazillion times. You have to expect it, learn to love the wear and you'll be a happier bunny :) If you are looking for pristine then you gotta go the $$$$ route of repro or restores.
 
I don't know the SS seller. He may be a great fellow. But I do know how frustrating it is to arrive at a machine having driven a couple of hours to see that the playfield needs real and unexpected work.

Describing condition is hugely subjective. "How bad are swirl marks ?" Or "How worn is it ?" These are very difficult to answer in a way that the seller and buyer will converge on. Unless i know a seller, and before embarking on a journey, I will always ask "can you see any areas of the playfield where the art is worn through to the wood". I think this is a fair question that allows an easy and objective response.
 
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