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Amusing. Stern posted a picture of a girls **** from the CES floor on their FB page. I made a single post to point out that the best way to get women to visit their booth and play pinball is perhaps not to objectify them like that. Result : I'm now banned from making any posts on their facebook page. Wow. What a bunch of tossers. Quite literally.
 
Haha Carl, that's an unfair comparison! Zizzles are probably much better value for money ;)
 
Hmmm, haven't liked or followed their page yet. Tempted to do so now just in a bid to see how quickly I can get banned. ;)

Edit: Although it's interesting to note how much the atire and angle of photo can make a difference. There's a shot further down of someone dressed as Dorothy from WOZ playing a Pin and that seems to be more acceptable because there's more of the game cabinet shown and she's not wearing skin tight trousers.
 
Oh come on, how am I the last to get banned from these things.

KidQ, totally agree with you on these things. If companies portray woman only as sex objects, the ones who also view themselves as a human being will be put off. Us men might get the benefit of enjoying the sexy woman for a short while but then have less woman in the hobby in the longer term.
 
Wow, sounds like a great business plan! Ban ALL pinball collectors from a facebook page about pinball machines!

From the same company that brought you the "f*ck it, that will be enough to get it out the door" policy in relation to software updates
 
I'm not on Facebook so haven't seen the page in question, however personally speaking I don't have a problem seeing a picture of a girls **** on a pinball website, I didn't think Pinball had been taken over by political correctness yet and I doubt there are many feminist pinball buyers going to their booth either with or without ****s on show :)

Agree it is a bit harsh to ban though, would be much better if they responded to criticism.

Cheers, Mark
 
Its not about 'political correctness' or 'having a problem with seeing a picture of a girls ****' though. I enjoy the female form as much as the next man (or woman) and I don't have a problem with Stern having women pose in front of pinball machines for promo either. However, it did not appear to be the case with the photo I commented on. It was a rear view of a woman at their CES stand playing pinball. The machine itself was barely visible so the focus was on the woman, not the machine. I may be wrong but the woman looked like she was an ordinary exhbition goer, not a paid model. From the angle of the shot, it looked very much like one of the Stern staff had taken her picture without her knowing as she played pinball and then posted it on the internet for people to ogle (likely without her permission). Pretty immature behaviour if you ask me and not really a great advertisement for the company as a whole. As I said to Stern on Facebook, its not going to attract women to their stand if they think they may be photographed and posted on facebook to be objectified like that. I bet they won't post any pics of guys playing pinball from that angle.
 
No worries Mark. Yeah, I think its a bit pathetic that the way Stern choose to handle criticism of any kind is to delete comments and ban people.
A few months ago, Jersey Jack pinball posted pictures of a blonde female pinball tournament winner. The text accompanying her photos described her as "sexy".
I called them out on this (when have you seen a pinball tourney winner described as 'handsome'? lol) and they apologised for this even though the text had beenwritten by one of their distributors, not JJ themselves. At least JJ answer criticism, Stern seem too arrogant to respond.
 
I think maybe you are taking it a bit too seriously dude. We all like women whether we are straight or gay, and a sexy lady is nothing but a compliment. Why should they have to apologise for calling someone sexy anyway? I hope that stern posts a follow up pic of a handsome bloke playing pin, from any angle, including focussing on his ****, then you will feel that it's all fair and we can all get on with enjoying ourselves.

I'm no fan of PC when PC means calling others out when they give a compliment. In fact I think PC in almost every situation is a bad thing. In the original post you described a pic of some girl from behind, posted without her knowledge. So ****ing what? Then later you say they don't do that for a handsome dude. Again so ****ing what? That's society's fault, not Stern's. At no point was anyone insulted, *if* you accept that an insult should be intended! not inferred by those who take offence beyond the norm.

Anyway. Interesting debate topic. Nothing personal against you dude, but all this PC ****e gets my goat. What a waste of time.
 
I 'm also banned. Think I made a negative comment about the playfield lifting rails being replaced with a bit of threaded rod, whilst putting the price up again...
 
Thanks Cooldan, that was pretty much the point I was trying to make. If someone is genuinely offended by something, fair enough, but when people start taking offence on behalf of other people who they perceive might be offended, it often gets a bit silly (again no offence to the original poster). For example, in this new easily offended world I guess to be completely equal we should also have a "Mr World" as well as "Miss World", and "Beauty King" as well as "Beauty Queen", the list goes on!
 
Where is the dislike button. I disagree with you Dan and Mark, I don't see this as a PC thing at all as for me there is nothing in this that is political and I wouldn't be making this post if I did care what society thought was correct because as a straight male, I should be very supportive of seeing **** and tits everywhere.
However, us men should realise that there is a difference between sexualising something and giving a compliment. My experience is that sexualising a woman is crossing a line that is often not appreciated. Staring at their breast or crouch is also not a compliment, saying they look good in a dress or how beautiful they look is.

Mostly, this is not me getting offended by something being sexualised, it is me being annoyed that the lowest male attraction is used to sell/promote something that has little or nothing to do with sex. It annoys me because it is pretty shallow/hollow and does nothing positive for our interests. I spent years doing trade shows where companies used Dolly Birds to promote stuff and saw the negative backlash. I also got sick of trying to have a business meeting with someone who then disengaged their brain to pump blood to their groin. How does that made a pinball machine (car, washing machine, holiday) better, or does it just tickle your short term fancy? We are all adult enough now to be able to find the porn on the internet aren't we?

Nor does it do much positive for the very woman us straight men fancy but understanding woman is just a waste of time isn't? ;)
 
The times they are a changing, I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree. It's not racist or homophobic or antisemitic, nor misogynist either. Possibly it's sexist to put up a picture of a nice looking girl for others to enjoy, but it's human nature. You point them out to your friends, don't you?

People take offence so easily nowadays, we're becoming more like the USA. I wouldn't last a week out there in a job, I'd accidentally offend someone by saying mate or dude or no worries or hello, or holding a door open for a woman, or standing up so an old bloke could sit down, or objecting to a burka on a person in authority, or objecting to a 30 stone policeman, or (back on topic) looking at an attractive woman for for than 3 seconds. Mind you, over there you can watch extreme violence 24-7 on TV but they call the police if there's a nipple on show. They're a messed up nation with too many lawyers and insurers and a hell of a lot of illegal -isms to protect everyone's rights, but they're about as divided a nation as you can find anywhere, with all the ethnic ghettos and the huge rich/poor divide.

Ok I'm ranting and rambling. I was gonna post a pic but I'm on tapatalk and the rules have changed or something. *sigh* maybe I shouldn't have eaten that chilli octopus.
 
I see what you mean Calimori, and both you and the OP do have a point - I agree that sexualising things is different to a compliment, and I understand that women usually do not want to be ogled at. The point I was trying to make is that if we look around we can all find things to find fault with, rightly or wrongly and if we looked I'm sure we would find more examples where people "could" be offended. Perhaps we should all be looking for these and instances and calling them out?

I also agree with Cooldan, that people do seem to take offence far too easily where previously people would let things go. Sometimes it is not even people being offended, it is people worrying that someone else might be offended. The sexualisation of women is a tricky issue as many women (including my wife, female friends at work, etc) would have no problem at all with the issues highlighted in this post. However, I concede that other women may object, so this is probably one we will have to agree to disagree with.

Calimori, re dislike button, just wait until I say something you were going to "like" and don't like it, and that should have the same effect :)

Sorry for getting a bit deep for a pinball post, and hope we're all still friends :)

Cheers, Mark
 
Disagreeing on a subject has never led to me not liking someone, or I would not have any friends. Dan and I know each other quite well, he looked after two of my machines and I currently have two of his.
On the subject of people looking to take offence, I agree with that being an issue. I don't want to spend my life annoyed at things and would always encourage people to see the many angles of any point.

And Dan, I think you would fit in from the places I have been to in the States, they like someone who speaks their mind, it gives them character. But get a gun. ;)
 
I am not going to get involved with the discussion you guys are currently having. But regarding the opening post that kicked this whole thing off..... I think you are way off the mark here. This is picture that started the discussion:

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To me, that is just a picture of a woman playing a pinball machine. She just happens to be a woman in good shape. Try and picture the same image in your head but with an obese woman or even a man. Would you still have had a problem with it then?? Probably not. How else do you take a picture of somebody playing pinball? There are other machines to the sides of the game she is playing so that rules out a side shot.
I don't think this picture is objectifying women. Maybe it is yourselves that are doing that by the way you are viewing the picture!

Just saying.
 
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Fintan Stack said:
I am not going to get involved with the discussion you guys are currently having. But regarding the opening post that kicked this whole thing off..... I think you are way off the mark here. This is picture that started the discussion:

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To me, that is just a picture of a woman playing a pinball machine.....
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Took me a while to find the offending picture on the Stern page as it didn't stand out. From some of the comments on here I was expecting it to be a zoomed in picture of a woman's half naked butt...... It really just looks like a person playing a pinball machine to me
 
I hadn't seen it before either tbh, I was just arguing the point because i believe in free speech unless there is hatred involved. Cheers for that Dean, I agree she just looks like a normal girl and I don't see anything remotely sexist about it either.
 
Thanks Dean, I was arguing my position on a matter of principal as I had not seen the pic either, but now what I have I am a little surprised. I am surprised Stern banned Kid Quaalude though for flagging it up and the banning does seem like an overreaction, however I also suspect they were perplexed by the comments as I can't see the picture as being remotely sexist, objectifying women, etc. Like others have said, it is a picture of someone playing pinball and there are loads of similar pics on the internet of men, women, and kids in the exact same playing position and I can't see it being interpreted as anything other than harmless :)
 
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