I had to look up Godwin's Law. Never knew it had a name but it definitely rings true.
OT: Covid boosters
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With Klaus Schwab heading the WEF I suppose it was inevitable
But before this thread gets pulled, ask yourselves why the definitions of herd immunity, vaccine and pandemic been changed in recent times?
Politics is all about misdirection, bury the message and time the release. Our voting system makes it all about a power grab and this government have a lot of power.
Making Omicron have a higher agenda to hide something else is plausible. But paying billions to give us boosters doesn’t add up. What is their reward?
Making Omicron have a higher agenda to hide something else is plausible. But paying billions to give us boosters doesn’t add up. What is their reward?
I don't know what's in it for them either, but my 5G signal has radically improved since I got the booster. And Microsoft just put the XBox Series X back in stock at the store for me too. (At least one of these is true)
Also, maybe have a think about why the people at the epicentre of this, with access to the very best information are ignoring the rules they so enthusiastically subject us to ...
Boris
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Cummings
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Hancock
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No 10 Staff
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G7 meeting in Cornwall 2021
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Neil Dr Lockdown Ferguson
www.telegraph.co.uk
Mark Drakeford (Karaoke man and First Minister of Wales)
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Labour Party hypocrisy at annual conference
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Scotland's chief medical officer
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30,000 guys arriving on planes for Cop 26 Climate Change !!!!!! Glasgow super spreader event with delegates exempted from rules
Boris
Boris Johnson pictured hosting No 10 Christmas quiz last year | Boris Johnson | The Guardian
Prime minister faces further allegations of breaching Covid restrictions after week of scandals
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Cummings
‘People won’t forget Dominic Cummings’ visit’: Barnard Castle learns to live with notoriety
For the prime minister’s aide, this County Durham town was somewhere to ‘test his eyesight’ during the first lockdown. It is now a place of pilgrimage
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Hancock
Matt Hancock apologises after photos show him kissing aide
Health secretary vows to stay on as health secretary despite breaching Covid social distancing rules
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No 10 Staff
No 10 staff ‘warned not to destroy relevant information over Christmas parties’
Police will be informed of any potential criminal offences, says PM’s principal private secretary
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G7 meeting in Cornwall 2021
Leaders slammed for ignoring social distancing G7 summit
U.S. President Joe Biden, Boris Johnson and other world leaders have been accused of breaking strict social distancing rules at the G7 summit in Cornwall over the weekend.
Neil Dr Lockdown Ferguson
Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover
Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing
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Mark Drakeford (Karaoke man and First Minister of Wales)
Mark Drakeford is slammed for not wearing a mask at Diwali celebration
Welsh Labour leader Mark Drakeford was filmed surrounded by other maskless revellers and dignitaries including the Indian High Commissioner at Cardiff University in South Wales.
Labour Party hypocrisy at annual conference
No face masks, little social distancing. Labour's Covid hypocrisy was on full display in Brighton
Perhaps socialists are so virtuous that they cannot pass germs on to each other?
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Scotland's chief medical officer
Scotland’s chief medical officer resigns after flouting Covid-19 guidelines | Nursing Times
Dr Catherine Calderwood, the chief medical officer for Scotland, has resigned after growing pressure for her to go in the wake of her visiting her second
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30,000 guys arriving on planes for Cop 26 Climate Change !!!!!! Glasgow super spreader event with delegates exempted from rules
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****. Just lost my Christmas.
Yet another kid I work closely with has just tested positive so I’m now on daily LFTs until Christmas Eve. No biggie but a pain. However, nothing that unusual.
Then my son rings. He’s just tested positive. So have at least 9 people from his work and 4/12 in his uni hall block.
Now I have to work out whether to leave him in a ****ty uni room until Christmas Eve or collect him and have him sat with me in a car for 3 hours. Slightly more complex as he’s meant to vacate the hall by Saturday morning.
There’s no way I can now have my parents here for Christmas given their age / underlying conditions.
Yet another kid I work closely with has just tested positive so I’m now on daily LFTs until Christmas Eve. No biggie but a pain. However, nothing that unusual.
Then my son rings. He’s just tested positive. So have at least 9 people from his work and 4/12 in his uni hall block.
Now I have to work out whether to leave him in a ****ty uni room until Christmas Eve or collect him and have him sat with me in a car for 3 hours. Slightly more complex as he’s meant to vacate the hall by Saturday morning.
There’s no way I can now have my parents here for Christmas given their age / underlying conditions.
Sorry to hear that John. Second year in a row that this thing effects Christmas.
I am waiting for something similar but cheated by having a family gathering at the start of the month that I am pretending was Christmas
I am waiting for something similar but cheated by having a family gathering at the start of the month that I am pretending was Christmas
get vaccinated get boosted but please don’t believe the fearmongering we are being forced fed. this article sums up what i think
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DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: Britain is overreacting to Omicron
DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: With predictions of one million cases by the end of the month, I gather there is talk of Christmas being cancelled and a possible New Year lockdown.www.dailymail.co.uk
Counterpoint:
South Africa: previous infections may explain Omicron hospitalisation rate
High levels of previous infection in province at centre of outbreak may be behind relatively low level of severe disease, expert says
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‘High levels of previous exposure to three previous waves of coronavirus infection in South Africa may explain the relatively low levels of hospitalisation and severe disease in the current outbreak of the Omicron variant, rather than the variant itself being less virulent.
The suggestion was made by the vaccine expert Shabir Madhi of the University of the Witwatersrand, who has led vaccine trials in the country. He warned that South Africa’s experience of Omicron might not be a reliable indicator for how the Omicron outbreak unfolds in other countries.
The same message was echoed by the head of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who said it was “wrong for people to consider Omicron as mild”.’
My point isn’t that you’re wrong, but that it’s just too soon to tell. We should take a cautious approach until we know more.
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get vaccinated get boosted but please don’t believe the fearmongering we are being forced fed. this article sums up what i think
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DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: Britain is overreacting to Omicron
DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: With predictions of one million cases by the end of the month, I gather there is talk of Christmas being cancelled and a possible New Year lockdown.
Hmm the Daily Hate ?! are you joking me Alan!
what's in it for the government? a low tax and small government party to have to spend and put more government into place. it just doesn't make sense. if cockbyn was in power I might agree with you, but probably not.
our response isn't even that big a deal. It's simple things that if we do early enable us to avoid lockdown. Nobody has been prevented from doing _anything_
i have asthma, developed it a few years back at the tender age of 38! always was quite healthy never smoked , sat here tonight with a nasty cough and feeling hotter than usual, i have just passed a test to say i dont have it but with all the news and my immunosuppressant medication i take iI'm not joking when i say i feel nervous, Man everything just feels **** atm, covid is now starting to affect my kids in the way they talk and what they want to do, its fricking Christmas but it feels far from it. my son has started to wash his hands like a surgeon, yes its good i guess? but i really think the things they are teaching them in school will affect them more than they might think. ps im normally a very happy go lucky cautious person but man this covid stuff is really starting to play on my mind .... yes so might say that's what the news wants you to think but , its been 24 7 for the last 2 years ...
I Feel for you man, the constant bombardment is getting a bit too much for me too, every news item, web page and conversation seems to revolve around Covid at the moment.
I get it, we need to keep the population vigilant and stuff so its not without merit, but its getting wearing.
Try to focus on the positives, Children are very unlikely to be seriously ill and even with existing conditions chances are you will be fine, try to keep it in proportion (not playing down the severity) but we all know someone who has been seriously injured or killed on the roads, we put on seatbelts, drive within the speed limits, take sensible precautions etc, but we don't panic every time we reach for the car keys.
As for kids, there resilient, we grew up in a very stable time and have never really seen anything big happen, our grandparents grew up hiding in Anderson shelters and playing in bomb craters and they turned out just fine.
Well, just coming out the other side of COVID and it was quite scary even though in my view I didn't get it bad. I'm asthmatic as well and in my view would have been a lot worse if I hadn't had a steroid inhaler. The worse thing is thinking is this as bad as it gets or will it be worse tomorrow. Other than the asthma which is normally very mild and doesn't need much intervention I am a 54 and fit and healthy and exercise. Was actually due my booster last Sunday but had to cancel but have re-booked for Jan.
I feel quite lucky in that its over and done with before Xmas, and also feel fortunate that no one I came into contact has shown any symptoms including my 85 year old father.
Stay safe people and hope everyone Xmas goes as planned
The potential for ICUs to reach maximum capacity is very much a health issue. It would lead to no room to care for heart attack victims, car crash victims etc.
No, if people can't be treated it's a health issue. The consistent underfunding of the NHS for decades resulting in our current capacity is a political issue, which we're not discussing.
If a relative of yours were to have a heart attack in a couple of weeks and couldn't be admitted because of lack of beds, would you be worried about their health, or the politics behind the lack of capacity?
Edit: Not saying this is what's going to happen. We don't know yet. That's the point I keep trying to make.
If a relative of yours were to have a heart attack in a couple of weeks and couldn't be admitted because of lack of beds, would you be worried about their health, or the politics behind the lack of capacity?
Edit: Not saying this is what's going to happen. We don't know yet. That's the point I keep trying to make.
Why don't we go the whole hog and ban people from hospital that are obese, smokers, drinking, sports injuries etc etc. We'll have loads of beds for COVID patients then. There is always a lack of beds in the NHS and always will be. Privatise is the only way forward.
750,000 undiagnosed cancer appointments will lead to far more deaths than COVID will. We don't even know how many people have died of Covid ('of' and not 'with')
Actually, we could turn the NHS into a Covid only service? Oh wait, we already have.
750,000 undiagnosed cancer appointments will lead to far more deaths than COVID will. We don't even know how many people have died of Covid ('of' and not 'with')
Actually, we could turn the NHS into a Covid only service? Oh wait, we already have.
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The point is that doctors cannot refuse care. They are obligated to treat people, and risk losing their licence and careers if they don't. The only exception is when capacity is exceeded, at which point they will be expected to triage patients based upon likelihood of survival, and essentially make the decision themselves re who lives and who dies.
So, we have a system in which doctors cannot refuse care if they are able to provide it. If hospitals are flooded with a fresh wave of covid patients when ICUs are already almost at capacity, they have to keep admitting them until there is no room. Once there is no room, the system breaks down and people who would otherwise have had a chance of survival will die.
One thing that people never seem to consider though is the impact this is having on clinical staff. They're exhausted, they're burnt out, many have experienced trauma beyond anything we can imagine over the past couple of years and as a country we're just demanding more and more of them.
There are no easy answers. I'm not sitting here advocating for anything apart from caution until we know more. But we have to accept reality when it comes to the current position of the NHS.
On your note re privatisation / lack of beds - in the original wave the NHS took on private capacity, in London at least. I'm aware of how at least some of these deals were structured and it was essentially provided to the NHS at cost. The issue is that this doesn't magically add more doctors. Private healthcare is almost exclusively at the consultant level, and there are very, very few consultants who only work in the private sector - most still hold substantive NHS posts and most spend more time working for the NHS than in private practice. So yes, more beds, but no more doctors to treat patients. This was also the problem with the Nightingale Hospitals.
So, we have a system in which doctors cannot refuse care if they are able to provide it. If hospitals are flooded with a fresh wave of covid patients when ICUs are already almost at capacity, they have to keep admitting them until there is no room. Once there is no room, the system breaks down and people who would otherwise have had a chance of survival will die.
One thing that people never seem to consider though is the impact this is having on clinical staff. They're exhausted, they're burnt out, many have experienced trauma beyond anything we can imagine over the past couple of years and as a country we're just demanding more and more of them.
There are no easy answers. I'm not sitting here advocating for anything apart from caution until we know more. But we have to accept reality when it comes to the current position of the NHS.
On your note re privatisation / lack of beds - in the original wave the NHS took on private capacity, in London at least. I'm aware of how at least some of these deals were structured and it was essentially provided to the NHS at cost. The issue is that this doesn't magically add more doctors. Private healthcare is almost exclusively at the consultant level, and there are very, very few consultants who only work in the private sector - most still hold substantive NHS posts and most spend more time working for the NHS than in private practice. So yes, more beds, but no more doctors to treat patients. This was also the problem with the Nightingale Hospitals.
Can't we f*ck this thread off into general discussion or something? Covid talk is almost unavoidable and Pinfo is a bit of a sanctuary.
Agreed! missed that!
I am not going political, but I have been watching this guy the last week or so:
Gives people the facts, he is PRO jab (he is a doctor).
I look here for data:
Gives people the facts, he is PRO jab (he is a doctor).
I look here for data:
Tbh, without the internet I would have never known about covid or anyone micron, I would have just classed it all as flu and not thought about it much
Whether something is a 'biggie' does depend heavily on your age (and health).
If steroid inhalers didn't exist, my husband could be hospitalised with the common cold.
I had a common cold a fortnight ago (pre-omicron) and my back/shoulders still haven't healed up enough to make sitting in a chair 100% comfortable. Because, yes, there are people out there (and, I admit, I have a very rare disease) for whom even 'ordinary' infections can be pretty ominous. I admit, our understanding of the mechanism behind my disease means I should have a lower risk of a severe COVID outcome than the average person, but my desire to test that theory remains pretty low.
Of course if people have underlying health conditions they should be very cautious but one of my best mates (aged 51) has just had his booster jab. He was in hospital the next day on an ECG due to heart palpitations. Now diagnosed with an 'enlarged' heart and may suffer serious complications.
Before people blindly follow that lying blond tw@ Boris about this so-called 'emergency' and all rush to get the booster, I strongly recommend you think twice. And before I start getting abuse on here for being an Anti-Vaxer, I've had 2 Astra Zeneca vaccinations.
Before people blindly follow that lying blond tw@ Boris about this so-called 'emergency' and all rush to get the booster, I strongly recommend you think twice. And before I start getting abuse on here for being an Anti-Vaxer, I've had 2 Astra Zeneca vaccinations.
Having had vaccines before doesn't make it impossible to become an anti-vaxxer, though, far from it...
google the great barrington declaration. google at one time last year was preventing searchers from finding this article!!!!
Makes no sense whatsoever.
It certainly does. People change opinion based on what's happened to them, or their best friend.
