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Kris, what cameras are you using ? This is the best detail footage on the net.
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JJP Harry Potter -Confirmed
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Just order a potter you tart
The difference in the game once you hear that John Williams score is huge. Making me want one
I've tried a few times over the years to get in to the films, and can see the appeal, but overall, I'm not a HP fan at all (do like the sauce on a sausage/bacon roll though....)
My wife is a huge fan though and can watch the films over and over.
Have to admit that the pin looks great though; giving me Theatre of magic vibes, which is good.
Must be awesome for HP fans that JJP has put the effort in to cover all of the films.
CE cab art looks very nice
My wife is a huge fan though and can watch the films over and over.
Have to admit that the pin looks great though; giving me Theatre of magic vibes, which is good.
Must be awesome for HP fans that JJP has put the effort in to cover all of the films.
CE cab art looks very nice
Thanks mate, I appreciate that, that's exactly what I was going for so it's great to have that feedback.
The camera is a Lumix S5ii but the lens is probably more important at 18mm f1.8 and I have a huge light illuminating the game too so it's a combination of all 3.
I have a much more detailed gameplay video coming up too but it's 3 cameras so will take a bit of editing.
The game is very fast, very addictive and shoots incredibly well. The flippers are very powerful and they have nailed it with that upper playfield shot.
I can only echo what Paul said about the call outs which were a help.
We have a 1 hour 45 min walkthrough and playfield talk with game designer Eric which we've already recommended and he's kindly spent so much time talking through the game, shots and rules.
But honestly, I'd just encourage everyone to play it and decide for yourselves. Either pop up to PH and have a game of if you're down South, you're welcome to pop over to me when I eventually get one.
Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty game etc but it was the gameplay rather than the glitter which I enjoyed.
The game is very fast, very addictive and shoots incredibly well. The flippers are very powerful and they have nailed it with that upper playfield shot.
I can only echo what Paul said about the call outs which were a help.
We have a 1 hour 45 min walkthrough and playfield talk with game designer Eric which we've already recommended and he's kindly spent so much time talking through the game, shots and rules.
But honestly, I'd just encourage everyone to play it and decide for yourselves. Either pop up to PH and have a game of if you're down South, you're welcome to pop over to me when I eventually get one.
Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty game etc but it was the gameplay rather than the glitter which I enjoyed.
Jib
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Just watched Joel's first game. I really want to want this game due to theme but I think there's just too much going on at once for me, player's focus is pulled all over the place and it seems hard to concentrate on one task at a time. I know Eric has said if you want to watch the movies, watch the movies but I do want to play through the clips in a more obvious way without the code clutter, shoot this shot, this clip plays, repeated to complete a scene. Even the final exam was just playing as everything was going on.
I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun for a lot of people but it's one I'm at least going to wait on for now.
Just finished playing Harry Potter for the day and damn it’s good
How good… Seriously good… Not going to touch on the aesthetics as you can all see the photos and already know it’s a thing of beauty
Now from a players perspective, it’s a great shooter, flippers are strong and the flow is good.
They have taken what they did well Elton and the fun level from POTC and you have Harry Potter.
There is a lot to do and I only scratched the surface today, lots of modes and 4 or 5 multiballs I only got to 3 of them I think as you have qualify them so it’s same level as stern for multiballs and not continuous as people may have feared
I was in on King Kong Premium and now i’m torn as I was really blown away by Harry Potter
It’s the complete package and I think maybe the only pinball ever to have achieved this on this level
Theme
Art package
Full Assets
Great layout and packed playfield
Code seems great considering it’s only just been released
JJP have really stepped up on this
How good… Seriously good… Not going to touch on the aesthetics as you can all see the photos and already know it’s a thing of beauty
Now from a players perspective, it’s a great shooter, flippers are strong and the flow is good.
They have taken what they did well Elton and the fun level from POTC and you have Harry Potter.
There is a lot to do and I only scratched the surface today, lots of modes and 4 or 5 multiballs I only got to 3 of them I think as you have qualify them so it’s same level as stern for multiballs and not continuous as people may have feared
I was in on King Kong Premium and now i’m torn as I was really blown away by Harry Potter
It’s the complete package and I think maybe the only pinball ever to have achieved this on this level
Theme
Art package
Full Assets
Great layout and packed playfield
Code seems great considering it’s only just been released
JJP have really stepped up on this
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Just a heads up that Cave in Newquay, Cornwall have a CE on order. I’m not sure how many of these will be in the wild to play
Watched a stream of Tom playing this on Foxcities, looked boring and I only got through 10 minutes. Only JJP I have ever enjoyed is DI, though I haven't played Avatar.
Sounds like I'm not the only one whose completely unenthused about this new pin. Will be interesting to see if my feelings change when I get a go on it on Saturday.
Topper looks like it was made by a Blue Peter presenter though.
JJP Harry Potter and the Order of AI (a visual analysis)
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Oof, one of those 'now I've seen it, I cannot unsee it' moments. Some of those AI artifacts are pretty bad and I would have expected the artist to have redrawn over them but there is so much going on with that table, literally too much going on so I'm not surprised some things were 'missed'.
It's a complete visual overload for me and my old brain. Can't handle the endless animations on the display either, and I was a UI coder in the games industry for a while so I know what's involved design wise.
I did wonder when AI was going to hit the pinball scene. I don't generally have a problem with AI use for content creation and some of it is pretty damn good but like all tools it has to be used effectively.
It's a complete visual overload for me and my old brain. Can't handle the endless animations on the display either, and I was a UI coder in the games industry for a while so I know what's involved design wise.
I did wonder when AI was going to hit the pinball scene. I don't generally have a problem with AI use for content creation and some of it is pretty damn good but like all tools it has to be used effectively.
I don’t believe that for a second. If you know anything about MinaLima, they wouldn’t put their name to anything they didn’t do themselves.
I think that post is someone trying to find issues when there are not any!
All the machines look amazing!
I think that post is someone trying to find issues when there are not any!
All the machines look amazing!
The post says the MinaLima one is legit. The other one.... He looks right imo. Some of it is glaring once you see it. I wonder how many people would have spotted once they saw the game in person
I dont care, I'll be too busy trying to hit the snitch, oops - I mean the ball.
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There seems to be an overwhelming negativity at pinball manufacturers in general
I don't know one that has it all right they all come with their
own set of problems been either code manufacturing or art etc
They even now complain about movie sound clips
Maybes JJP isn't for everyone that's fair enough but if this way they intend to make the game
Then why will they change it
I personally have owned a couple of their/jjp machines and also had some
Problems but also on stern spooky and other manufacturers too
They are mega expensive and mega complicated too
And all play a slightly diff way even off same line
But they also bring happiness to this hobby which is becoming more doom n gloom as time goes on
So many pins coming out if you don't like then move onto one you do
Its became more of looking for problems and then someone posts and
It all blows up as today's hot topic
Lot more to life as in good health and mind
Just my take peeps
I don't know one that has it all right they all come with their
own set of problems been either code manufacturing or art etc
They even now complain about movie sound clips
Maybes JJP isn't for everyone that's fair enough but if this way they intend to make the game
Then why will they change it
I personally have owned a couple of their/jjp machines and also had some
Problems but also on stern spooky and other manufacturers too
They are mega expensive and mega complicated too
And all play a slightly diff way even off same line
But they also bring happiness to this hobby which is becoming more doom n gloom as time goes on
So many pins coming out if you don't like then move onto one you do
Its became more of looking for problems and then someone posts and
It all blows up as today's hot topic
Lot more to life as in good health and mind
Just my take peeps
I do get that, the internet is a lot of people complaining or being disproportionality angry. That said AI creeping into pinball whilst inevitable is definitely worthy of discussion.
It’s got nothing to do with negativity towards manufacturers, it’s just ridiculous that a £15k game has AI art (and ****ty AI art at that) and it should be worrying to everyone here that JJP think they can get away with it. They need to be called out on it or they’ll keep doing it.
Not 100% with you on that. People pushed back hard when VCRs came along, claiming it would kill cinema. Same thing happened when vinyl gave way to CDs, and again with MP3s. Every time, folks said the soul of the medium was being lost. But eventually, people judged the work, not the tool.
AI is just another tool—it's already here, and pretending it isn't/shouldn't be part of the creative process is a battle lost. The question isn’t “should AI be used?” That moment’s passed. It’s “is the end result any good?” If it's not, that’s not about AI, that’s just bad art. But if AI is used thoughtfully to help create something stunning, does it really matter how it was made? It should always come back to this: is the art exciting, well-executed, and fitting for the game? If it is, then maybe the tool used isn’t the real issue. (BTW - I also don't agree that the pinside thread isn't led by the Stern fan bois. It's the same voices looking for a reason to be haters. And just my view - I don't care that a dragon has a flounder eye, or a wizard has a finger missing. I genuinely don't think it'll spoil my enjoyment of the game.)
AI is just another tool—it's already here, and pretending it isn't/shouldn't be part of the creative process is a battle lost. The question isn’t “should AI be used?” That moment’s passed. It’s “is the end result any good?” If it's not, that’s not about AI, that’s just bad art. But if AI is used thoughtfully to help create something stunning, does it really matter how it was made? It should always come back to this: is the art exciting, well-executed, and fitting for the game? If it is, then maybe the tool used isn’t the real issue. (BTW - I also don't agree that the pinside thread isn't led by the Stern fan bois. It's the same voices looking for a reason to be haters. And just my view - I don't care that a dragon has a flounder eye, or a wizard has a finger missing. I genuinely don't think it'll spoil my enjoyment of the game.)
As an artist who has had their work used without permission to help train these AI models I'm not sure I agree that it doesn't matter how the art is created. Sure, it's here and I have to accept that. I can't convince people to care about how unethical AI art is, but I can certainly vote with my wallet and that's what I'll do.
As it stands I can't afford a new in box machine, but I was going to travel to find a Harry Potter on location and pump it full of coins, now I won't. Futile? Probably, but I won't support this practice.
As it stands I can't afford a new in box machine, but I was going to travel to find a Harry Potter on location and pump it full of coins, now I won't. Futile? Probably, but I won't support this practice.
The simple fact is all manufacturers need to listen to negative comments about their products because if they don't then they get stuck in a positive feedback loop thinking that everything they do is great, even when some of their customer base say it isn't.
Inevitably that can only lead in one direction, decreasing sales and going out of business.
"If you don't like it, don't buy it" has a guaranteed outcome.
As an engineer and a creative person I'm on the fence regarding AI usage, I see all the pros and cons and my current employer uses it heavily so I get to see results first hand, and they are not always great. Good for business though, less staff overheads.
With all tools it depends on how you use them, cut & paste is also a well used but dubious tool.
Inevitably that can only lead in one direction, decreasing sales and going out of business.
"If you don't like it, don't buy it" has a guaranteed outcome.
As an engineer and a creative person I'm on the fence regarding AI usage, I see all the pros and cons and my current employer uses it heavily so I get to see results first hand, and they are not always great. Good for business though, less staff overheads.
With all tools it depends on how you use them, cut & paste is also a well used but dubious tool.
I didn’t notice it when I played it for a day, it’s still an impressively beautiful machine and I’d still buy one without hesitation
My issue is
“I feel very strongly about pinball art and how it needs to be hand drawn.” - Eric Meunier
The guy didn’t even know or was just lying on the video either way be upfront and truthful and don’t mislead the consumer to be caught out
My issue is
“I feel very strongly about pinball art and how it needs to be hand drawn.” - Eric Meunier
The guy didn’t even know or was just lying on the video either way be upfront and truthful and don’t mislead the consumer to be caught out
Thats a valid arguement, and one I agree with. As an artist, you should be paid for the work you create. No idea how that manifests itself in the new world order though....
I honestly don't think it's the same - with vinyl, CDs and MP3s artists still created music - it was the medium of delivery that changed. An equivalent for pinball would be if Stern started producing V-pins. For the mass market, it may be true that the horse has bolted - but in pinball art? There's still time. Art is such an integral part of pinball, people have playfields and backglasses on their wall! I can't think of how many games I've played first in a line up because of the art, hell some games I love mostly because of the art - think of all the iconic Franchi and Zombie Yeti art packages there are.
I don't have an axe to grind with JJP, I love my GnR. But not only do I disagree with their use of AI, but they haven't told the consumer which IMO is not on.
There is also some speculation going around about the different media pictures.
Could have just happened that the approved/final artworks with the fixed issues didn't get sent over to the playfield manufacturer or some wrong files got attached?
More pessimistic view would be that they already had a bunch of these playfields done and they decided to use them regardless of the issues.
Who knows really what really happened but I can totally see this being an accident as well.
Could have just happened that the approved/final artworks with the fixed issues didn't get sent over to the playfield manufacturer or some wrong files got attached?
More pessimistic view would be that they already had a bunch of these playfields done and they decided to use them regardless of the issues.
Who knows really what really happened but I can totally see this being an accident as well.
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Got to play a game on HP at Pinball Heaven's open day.
Based on just 1 game, can't really make a fully fledged opinion, but it deed seems to play well, looked good and appears to have absolutely bucket loads in there.
The only negative I could possibly come up with is the topper, looks cheap and nasty compared to the rest of the machine.
(Also got to see and play JJP Avatar for the first time and that also looks like a great game, even if it does suffer a but from the JJP overuse of LEDs, there's no point saying hit the red/yellow lights when EVERY SINGLE LED in the game is flashing like a faulty set of Christmas fairy lights)
Based on just 1 game, can't really make a fully fledged opinion, but it deed seems to play well, looked good and appears to have absolutely bucket loads in there.
The only negative I could possibly come up with is the topper, looks cheap and nasty compared to the rest of the machine.
(Also got to see and play JJP Avatar for the first time and that also looks like a great game, even if it does suffer a but from the JJP overuse of LEDs, there's no point saying hit the red/yellow lights when EVERY SINGLE LED in the game is flashing like a faulty set of Christmas fairy lights)
