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I think I have just entered "The Twilight Zone"
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Popeye-Pi..._Operated_MJ&hash=item3384ac913e#ht_326wt_958
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Popeye-Pi..._Operated_MJ&hash=item3384ac913e#ht_326wt_958
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Verne-s-W...088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec9b95d58
So did anyone get this? Never even heard of it before. Anyone know what it plays like? Different is always interesting but not sure if I'd want to pay £3k+ on the off chance it's good.. Very little details on IPDB and no reviews.
So did anyone get this? Never even heard of it before. Anyone know what it plays like? Different is always interesting but not sure if I'd want to pay £3k+ on the off chance it's good.. Very little details on IPDB and no reviews.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Data...eo_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ&hash=item3384a78fe4
Looks like major wear thru to the wood under the spinner, near the Delorean Millions insert, in front of the drop targets ... just for starters
Looks like major wear thru to the wood under the spinner, near the Delorean Millions insert, in front of the drop targets ... just for starters
Reading his adverts he does come across as a straight shooter..........
But we know otherwise;-)
But we know otherwise;-)
i gotta be honest, it doesn't look so bad to me - not sure why the front of the cab is painted black though. i can just about see the areas you're mentioning, but they just look like they've been played a lot.
not that i would ever entertain the idea of buying from him anyway, as for all we know there could be a rats nest in it and all the coils removed for sale along with shiny balls and working batteries
not that i would ever entertain the idea of buying from him anyway, as for all we know there could be a rats nest in it and all the coils removed for sale along with shiny balls and working batteries
I have never dealt with the seller but have to say this one does show the wear in the pictures and seems a fairly straight advert. Its not silly money.. Is it?
As long as it all works as stated etc and any offer accepted is a mutually agreed one based upon that description/viewing then maybe all is good.
If this is the seller of the TOM though then for a high end table there should have been much more explanation, pictures and open honesty. That one wasn't up to par with the agreed purchase amount.
As long as it all works as stated etc and any offer accepted is a mutually agreed one based upon that description/viewing then maybe all is good.
If this is the seller of the TOM though then for a high end table there should have been much more explanation, pictures and open honesty. That one wasn't up to par with the agreed purchase amount.
It isn't silly money like £2k but given the cab is painted black at the front and has that much wear. I would value it about £700.
Less of the personal insults please. Strangely enough I have heard lots of criticism about your pins - I heard no issues about that here....
It seems like you only ever come on to have a pop at those that have criticized your pins and selling techniques.
Oh and by the way - Coming here and having a go at an Admin will get you nowhere rather fast...
Indeed .
This is a forum for pinball hobbyists , not *dodgy*dealers /those looking to make a quick buck on machines.
You can cry me a frickin river all day long but if I or anyone else wants to comment on the condition of a machine on ebay then fine. There are a lot of new members looking for their first machines, and if someone on here can maybe point out things not mentioned in a listing then I see no problem with that.
Suspect dealers and flip merchants are not welcome here, and those with a bad track record will be shown the door pronto. There have been enough horror stories recently concerning overpriced, poor condition machines sold via ebay.
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Exactly my point. The wear is not mentioned in the listing.
I disagree with this slightly. I don't think anyone would have an issue with Phil, Andy N or Andy H posting on here all of which act as dealers. I don't think any of us really have an issue with dealers if it it done properly. If someone can source a machine, do it up and flog it on then I don't begrudge them a cut. Rip off merchants are an entirely different proposition. I've previously tried to buy machines from some of the UK "dealers". Never had any luck, either they are asking insanely high prices or can't source machines. Several don't even bother to ring back if you leave a message.
At what stage does a piinhead become a dealer? Would selling 6 machines a year put you in that bracket? Is Dan actually a cunning dealer? Trying to lure us towards his grossly overpiced freddie (soon to come with free LW3)
To me the recent flip of the WH20 by a dealer raises many questions. To the people defending it on the grounds that he was a business man and taking the risk/hassle then I'm assuming that the sale would then also come with some form of after sales service. The seller would also be paying corporation tax and would be happy paying to list ads etc on a newsgroup. If not, then in what way are they a businessman rather than a flipper?
Ok should of said 'Dodgy' dealers.
And of course I have no prob with the established UK big names posting on here, or as you say people who have sourced a game, shopped it etc and are selling and making a bit.
Last I'm gonna say on it today, frankly its just all a bit depressing this 'money' side of the scene
And of course I have no prob with the established UK big names posting on here, or as you say people who have sourced a game, shopped it etc and are selling and making a bit.
Last I'm gonna say on it today, frankly its just all a bit depressing this 'money' side of the scene
Is there really much to be made in pins? I seem to have lost my pants on 1 sold/broken and the other up for sale lol.
I don't see many up for sale silly cheap etc to even warrant a flip, although I still wouldn't begrudge a member a few quid if thats what they wanted to do now and then but I guess if you are doing it all the time and not being truthful with intentions and being a little secretive with the descriptions then thats not on.
I'm into classic cars (modified ones too) and often see things on ebay that I like the look of and want to own/drive. Thats means I regularly change these cars. Theres no profit in it (often a real loss when you take expenses into account) but to the outside word maybe this would seem like a repeated flip?
At what point would a member be deemed unwelcome for changing machines too often? I get bored real easy (adhd) and if I could find many machines within my budget then I would prob change a fair few every year.
I like to repair them, probably more so than the game to be honest.
I would also like to know more about the condition criticisms. At what level should a machine be described for re-sale? If I sold a 30+ year old car then people just seem to expect wear and tear and as long as you are truthful with general order and running condition then they are happy. Is it the case with pins that the collectors have gone a little stir crazy over the condition of paint etc over the playability/game?
There are concours cars and gold plated pinball machines and both of which probably shouldn't be used often and are very pretty to look at but any machine thats less than 1k should really have expected wear/tear?
Thats BTTF looks worn yes, its unlikely its going to dupe a newbie though is it? pictures easily show the paint and wear and anything thats non original.
Im not standing up for the seller at all. But he is saying its un used condition and its not a recent machine by any standards.
At 950 its a little strong but its up for offers and no-one is going to offer too close to the start amount. I see this selling at 700-750 and that doesn't seem too off? Well not to me anyway.
I have noticed a few people comment that the pins on ebay are making over their value, But an items value is dictated by what people are willing to pay. That BTTF could be worth 1250 in a years time. Should it then be in better condition? Should we all warn perspective buyers about paint wear etc?
I can ask £1200 for a vector. Its mine so I can ask what I want. I would consider it over priced and probably so would others but is it if someone is prepared to pay it?
Dans freddy doesn't seem over priced for a dmd right now. Maybe a couple of years back I would have thought more so.
That very same machine in another couple of years will be worth more.
I think my point is this:
Unless you 100% know there is a fault with the machine then its not making the site look too friendly when we pull them apart on the bay or even worse involve name calling to members etc.
He hasn't said its mint or a gold plated Rolls, Just a used machine thats up for offers that allows the buyer decide what its worth. And thats is after all how the value of our machines has risen. Supply + demand.
I don't care if someone wants to make the odd buck, even if its on one of my old machines. A guy once made 2k on one of my old cars as I missed a trick. Its just life and I didn't spill any tears or burn my bra lol.
Wow what a boring post that people will skim read.
I'll just take my tampax and leave through the back door
I don't see many up for sale silly cheap etc to even warrant a flip, although I still wouldn't begrudge a member a few quid if thats what they wanted to do now and then but I guess if you are doing it all the time and not being truthful with intentions and being a little secretive with the descriptions then thats not on.
I'm into classic cars (modified ones too) and often see things on ebay that I like the look of and want to own/drive. Thats means I regularly change these cars. Theres no profit in it (often a real loss when you take expenses into account) but to the outside word maybe this would seem like a repeated flip?
At what point would a member be deemed unwelcome for changing machines too often? I get bored real easy (adhd) and if I could find many machines within my budget then I would prob change a fair few every year.
I like to repair them, probably more so than the game to be honest.
I would also like to know more about the condition criticisms. At what level should a machine be described for re-sale? If I sold a 30+ year old car then people just seem to expect wear and tear and as long as you are truthful with general order and running condition then they are happy. Is it the case with pins that the collectors have gone a little stir crazy over the condition of paint etc over the playability/game?
There are concours cars and gold plated pinball machines and both of which probably shouldn't be used often and are very pretty to look at but any machine thats less than 1k should really have expected wear/tear?
Thats BTTF looks worn yes, its unlikely its going to dupe a newbie though is it? pictures easily show the paint and wear and anything thats non original.
Im not standing up for the seller at all. But he is saying its un used condition and its not a recent machine by any standards.
At 950 its a little strong but its up for offers and no-one is going to offer too close to the start amount. I see this selling at 700-750 and that doesn't seem too off? Well not to me anyway.
I have noticed a few people comment that the pins on ebay are making over their value, But an items value is dictated by what people are willing to pay. That BTTF could be worth 1250 in a years time. Should it then be in better condition? Should we all warn perspective buyers about paint wear etc?
I can ask £1200 for a vector. Its mine so I can ask what I want. I would consider it over priced and probably so would others but is it if someone is prepared to pay it?
Dans freddy doesn't seem over priced for a dmd right now. Maybe a couple of years back I would have thought more so.
That very same machine in another couple of years will be worth more.
I think my point is this:
Unless you 100% know there is a fault with the machine then its not making the site look too friendly when we pull them apart on the bay or even worse involve name calling to members etc.
He hasn't said its mint or a gold plated Rolls, Just a used machine thats up for offers that allows the buyer decide what its worth. And thats is after all how the value of our machines has risen. Supply + demand.
I don't care if someone wants to make the odd buck, even if its on one of my old machines. A guy once made 2k on one of my old cars as I missed a trick. Its just life and I didn't spill any tears or burn my bra lol.
Wow what a boring post that people will skim read.
I'll just take my tampax and leave through the back door
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i think (i hope) that @johnwhitfield was joking about my Freddy, he likes to pull my leg, and i like to let him as he's a friend of mine. It's a steal at £700!
the reason this whole thread has deteriorated is that the bloke above who's selling the BTTF has given himself a reputation with the TOM he sold in this thread here: http://www.pinballinfo.com/community/threads/pinball-sale-dishonesty-or-laziness.2773/
an excerpt for you if you're too busy to click it
"Earth braid severed in at least 8 places.
Backbox and cab earth braid not connected.
Batteries leaking acid.
Mains lead cut in four places and joined together with insulation tape and mis-matched wires.
Backbox GI not working, connectors burnt and wrong size.
Board pins re-soldered on where broken.
Rusted pinballs and static ball on playfield.
Part rusted wire ramps that are now more silver than gold (presume sanded), not easily seen on photos.
Trap door rusted that you can't easily see on photos.
Pop bumper not working.
Centre ramp broken and cracked at bottom, supplied with home made metal piece applied to side to cover (not easly seen on photos).
EOS switch missing completely from left flipper.
EOS switch on right flipper has wires missing/not soldered on (both flipper faults reported in test mode).
Left flipper mechanism damaged.
Magnetic flap on trunk mis-aligned and almost scraping the playfield.
Flasher caps broken.
Multiple bulbs out or very dirty under playfield.
All under playfield mechanical parts dirty.
Wiring bodge between CPU and driver board, soldered on so PCB's can't be removed individually.
Lower and upper backbox glass trims broken.
Two small holes in lockdown bar.
Dents in side rails.
All for £2,500, described as a 'nice' fully working Theatre of Magic, the best one he's ever had.
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or take a quick look here:
so basically, we're not really discussing the possible merits of that BTTF as much as wondering what it's actually like, based on the above example. Tobin has every right to come and defend himself and his sales methods, but i suggest that if he does so, he should start with that TOM. personally, after a story like that, i wouldn't buy off him at any price thanks.
the reason this whole thread has deteriorated is that the bloke above who's selling the BTTF has given himself a reputation with the TOM he sold in this thread here: http://www.pinballinfo.com/community/threads/pinball-sale-dishonesty-or-laziness.2773/
an excerpt for you if you're too busy to click it
"Earth braid severed in at least 8 places.
Backbox and cab earth braid not connected.
Batteries leaking acid.
Mains lead cut in four places and joined together with insulation tape and mis-matched wires.
Backbox GI not working, connectors burnt and wrong size.
Board pins re-soldered on where broken.
Rusted pinballs and static ball on playfield.
Part rusted wire ramps that are now more silver than gold (presume sanded), not easily seen on photos.
Trap door rusted that you can't easily see on photos.
Pop bumper not working.
Centre ramp broken and cracked at bottom, supplied with home made metal piece applied to side to cover (not easly seen on photos).
EOS switch missing completely from left flipper.
EOS switch on right flipper has wires missing/not soldered on (both flipper faults reported in test mode).
Left flipper mechanism damaged.
Magnetic flap on trunk mis-aligned and almost scraping the playfield.
Flasher caps broken.
Multiple bulbs out or very dirty under playfield.
All under playfield mechanical parts dirty.
Wiring bodge between CPU and driver board, soldered on so PCB's can't be removed individually.
Lower and upper backbox glass trims broken.
Two small holes in lockdown bar.
Dents in side rails.
All for £2,500, described as a 'nice' fully working Theatre of Magic, the best one he's ever had.
"or take a quick look here:
so basically, we're not really discussing the possible merits of that BTTF as much as wondering what it's actually like, based on the above example. Tobin has every right to come and defend himself and his sales methods, but i suggest that if he does so, he should start with that TOM. personally, after a story like that, i wouldn't buy off him at any price thanks.
Yeah, that TOM as I said before was not a good sale.
I was just looking at things as a whole with re-selling, values and general condition expectations.
I too think your freddie is a steal at £600
I was just looking at things as a whole with re-selling, values and general condition expectations.
I too think your freddie is a steal at £600
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OK so this is my take on things.
I personally have NO problem in any of the likes of Andy N, Andy H, Phil etc on here. They have, between themselves and a group of "us" over on UKPinball, kept pinball running over the last 13 years since the demise of Williams.
Andy N (@pinballmania), whilst he runs his own business (www.pinballmania.co.uk), has done so much by supporting shows and providing support to the pinball community for free.
Phil (www.pinballheaven.co.uk) has been going for what seems forever and whilst his pins have always cost more than others, His restores have always been nothing short of excellent.
Andy H (@Andy Heighway) I have now known for several years now and is a great guy, responsible for the last few years pinball shows.
There are many others on here that provide services and support to others. Good on ya
However, there is one thing that I will not allow on here and that is personal attacks, and especially on the other Admins. We are all unpaid, and Ive, Geoff and Nick are all in my opinion, balanced and trusted members. They do not deserve to be treated as a target, especially in public.
And that's what happened. "Nick" or whoever it was, whilst he would have been quite welcome to defend himself, and to be honest I would have welcomed that (attempt), however he decided that the best way to deal was to to "hit back" and attack someone. Not here he's not.
Anyhow, this thread is about Ebay auctions. If we want discussions to carry on,. no problems, just please open a new thread on it...
I personally have NO problem in any of the likes of Andy N, Andy H, Phil etc on here. They have, between themselves and a group of "us" over on UKPinball, kept pinball running over the last 13 years since the demise of Williams.
Andy N (@pinballmania), whilst he runs his own business (www.pinballmania.co.uk), has done so much by supporting shows and providing support to the pinball community for free.
Phil (www.pinballheaven.co.uk) has been going for what seems forever and whilst his pins have always cost more than others, His restores have always been nothing short of excellent.
Andy H (@Andy Heighway) I have now known for several years now and is a great guy, responsible for the last few years pinball shows.
There are many others on here that provide services and support to others. Good on ya
However, there is one thing that I will not allow on here and that is personal attacks, and especially on the other Admins. We are all unpaid, and Ive, Geoff and Nick are all in my opinion, balanced and trusted members. They do not deserve to be treated as a target, especially in public.
And that's what happened. "Nick" or whoever it was, whilst he would have been quite welcome to defend himself, and to be honest I would have welcomed that (attempt), however he decided that the best way to deal was to to "hit back" and attack someone. Not here he's not.
Anyhow, this thread is about Ebay auctions. If we want discussions to carry on,. no problems, just please open a new thread on it...
Yeah, thats TOM as I said before was not a good sale.
I was just looking at things as a whole with re-selling, values and general condition expectations.
I too think your freddie is a steal at £600
his Freddie at £500?? It certainly is a steal!!
I'd gladly sign something that says I won't sell a pin on for more than purchase price for fear of being bummed by angry members.
Might encourage some to just flout that entirely though
Might encourage some to just flout that entirely though
Someone selling a Freddie for £400?
Go on then Dan, give me £800 and I'll take freddie......
£200 for a freddy? Ill take 2
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pinball-b...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
WOW !!! £255 for a backglass Dang - some people must of REALLY wanted that
WOW !!! £255 for a backglass
Dang - some people must of REALLY wanted that- Status