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We didn't think it through and a 12 year old is more tech savvy than us. Another liebour fail.
There's a lot to criticise Labour for, but this Tory policy introduced in 2023 is not one of them unfortunately
It was already law. Labour world have to repeal it through Parliament. Good luck passing a 'please don't think of the children' bill
Fairly sure the powers that be will start to put the squeeze on VPN suppliers via payment service provider restrictions due to VPNs being used for 'special' reasons such as identification bypassing. The squeeze only being lifted when VPN providers agree to supply connection logs to the gov.
Sure there are plenty of other methods of securing your web traffic, most of them out of your average users grasp.
As usual it'll be a giant game of whack-a-mole for the government with plenty of jobs for the box tickers and jobsworths, and loads of hassle for us.
Sure there are plenty of other methods of securing your web traffic, most of them out of your average users grasp.
As usual it'll be a giant game of whack-a-mole for the government with plenty of jobs for the box tickers and jobsworths, and loads of hassle for us.
Nothing to worry about here, even China hasn't managed to ban VPNs
This bill has been in the workings through successive governments, you can blame all the main parties for this.
The principle is good, stop younger people being able to find digital material that is likely to harm their development. Like society should be doing with real world stuff.
Kids still find knives, and drugs because those who want to will find adults who are not vigilant or adults who take advantage of them. But generally, we protect kids.
The difficulty is that the principle is going to be hard to manage and MP want to show they understand and can fix issues without actually being experts.
The ISP's didn't want to take the responsibility to police access, so it is left to the content suppliers. But sites that have content that can damage developing minds are rarely going to be hosted by people who want to protect them. And sites that get money for their content, sell your data, or advertise the hell out of you and they don't want to lose revenue.
Meanwhile, the MP carry on with their very simple strap lines that are hard to implement.
My view is that this will stop a number of kids drifting into seeing malicious content as the bar has been raised. But many will work out how to get around them or find their parents run tools like VPN's and this will give them access.
On the otherside, as adults, we should understand what a personal VPN does because I keep seeing VPN companies advertise that they protect you from privacy and security issues which they don't exactly do.
In principle they protect your anonymity from local regulation, the government, that your ISP would have to follow but that means you are handing that information to a less regulated organisation.
This is trusting that the VPN company won't do things you think the ISP would do, and trusting both to not lose your personal details in a compromise or attack.
From the security side, a hacker, is unlikely to be sniffing your traffic on the internet, they are taking control of your machine or Attacker-In-The-Middle you to control your connection. A VPN doesn't stop these attacks, in fact a badly run private VPN is a great way to do Attacker-In-The-Middle.
A private VPN will offer some additional protection when you are on an untrusted network such as a guest Wi-Fi but being able to recognise when your connection is Attacker-In-The-Middle'd or only not sharing your details on public forums will probably also cover most of the threats. And they are good life lessons to learn that don't cost you anything a month.
What these private VPN tools do well, is route your traffic to another location to bypassing restrictions. If you run one and want to protect your kid from seeing bad stuff, don't let them use it.
The principle is good, stop younger people being able to find digital material that is likely to harm their development. Like society should be doing with real world stuff.
Kids still find knives, and drugs because those who want to will find adults who are not vigilant or adults who take advantage of them. But generally, we protect kids.
The difficulty is that the principle is going to be hard to manage and MP want to show they understand and can fix issues without actually being experts.
The ISP's didn't want to take the responsibility to police access, so it is left to the content suppliers. But sites that have content that can damage developing minds are rarely going to be hosted by people who want to protect them. And sites that get money for their content, sell your data, or advertise the hell out of you and they don't want to lose revenue.
Meanwhile, the MP carry on with their very simple strap lines that are hard to implement.
My view is that this will stop a number of kids drifting into seeing malicious content as the bar has been raised. But many will work out how to get around them or find their parents run tools like VPN's and this will give them access.
On the otherside, as adults, we should understand what a personal VPN does because I keep seeing VPN companies advertise that they protect you from privacy and security issues which they don't exactly do.
In principle they protect your anonymity from local regulation, the government, that your ISP would have to follow but that means you are handing that information to a less regulated organisation.
This is trusting that the VPN company won't do things you think the ISP would do, and trusting both to not lose your personal details in a compromise or attack.
From the security side, a hacker, is unlikely to be sniffing your traffic on the internet, they are taking control of your machine or Attacker-In-The-Middle you to control your connection. A VPN doesn't stop these attacks, in fact a badly run private VPN is a great way to do Attacker-In-The-Middle.
A private VPN will offer some additional protection when you are on an untrusted network such as a guest Wi-Fi but being able to recognise when your connection is Attacker-In-The-Middle'd or only not sharing your details on public forums will probably also cover most of the threats. And they are good life lessons to learn that don't cost you anything a month.
What these private VPN tools do well, is route your traffic to another location to bypassing restrictions. If you run one and want to protect your kid from seeing bad stuff, don't let them use it.
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There is only one party. The uniparty - the illusion you can vote for a Red or Blue team is purely that an illusion. All the permanent secretaries and civil servants never change and it's these people that create the policy, when the "Minister" in charge starts making waves internally we have a cabinet re-shuffle and someone new is put in place.
If you really want to see how the government is run - i suggest watching Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister.
Same here
- really reasonably priced and when it comes to renewing you can still get a great deal.For the sake of a few quid a month, I wouldn't try and use a free one.
I find it's really handy for when I'm abroad and want to watch footy on Amazon, on my tablet and can just set the location to U.K.
So now we need a VPN for our VPN?
You can’t ban them they are used by almost every office company in the UK, especially ones with remote workers.
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It was already law. Labour world have to repeal it through Parliament. Good luck passing a 'please don't think of the children' bill
Paul, this is Labour controlling and censoring the narrative
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People concerned about undocumented migrants flooding into the country must be silenced?
I thought this was supposed to be about protecting children?
You think that's what it means? I interpret it entirely differently.
Have you read the actual bill?
"Assisting illegal immigration
23An offence under any of the following provisions of the Immigration Act 1971—
(a)section 24(A1), (B1), (C1) or (D1) (illegal entry and similar offences);
(b)section 25 (assisting unlawful immigration)."
It also was put in by the Conservatives, not Labour.
Undocumented ones come via gangs and smuggling. The ones you think are "flooding the country" are documented, hence being put up in ex hotels.
The unaccounted for ones are the issue that noone tends to think about.
Have you read the actual bill?
"Assisting illegal immigration
23An offence under any of the following provisions of the Immigration Act 1971—
(a)section 24(A1), (B1), (C1) or (D1) (illegal entry and similar offences);
(b)section 25 (assisting unlawful immigration)."
It also was put in by the Conservatives, not Labour.
Undocumented ones come via gangs and smuggling. The ones you think are "flooding the country" are documented, hence being put up in ex hotels.
The unaccounted for ones are the issue that noone tends to think about.
That is the list of content (WHAT) that has been brought into scope to protect child from. The age verification is HOW it was decided to protect them, the control. Personal VPN are what people are using to bypass the control.
Folks like us here at Pinball Info HQ have a legal responsibility to ensure we don't fall foul of it. Porn sites put up an age check and probably want to encourage you to spend with them.
There is reaction to this being a curtailment of our rights but it isn't one group censoring you. The internet doesn't self regulate, tech companies want to earn money, there isn't enough adult supervision on the internet and most adults don't understand how to solve the problem or the problem itself. The consultation on this has been painfully long, the push back both valid and extremely biased by some.
Private VPN service vs company VPN services are usually identifiable. It can be a cat and mouse game and a whole load of technology can be bought to do it. Problems make money.
Most likely there will be changes to existing laws about using tools to bypass controls using IP masking techniques and those using them will be blocked from legitimate services whilst they are using them. Or not, consider it like age checking for buying a pint, or knives, or collect a prescription that can work until an adult thinks they are losing out on revenue.
Folks like us here at Pinball Info HQ have a legal responsibility to ensure we don't fall foul of it. Porn sites put up an age check and probably want to encourage you to spend with them.
There is reaction to this being a curtailment of our rights but it isn't one group censoring you. The internet doesn't self regulate, tech companies want to earn money, there isn't enough adult supervision on the internet and most adults don't understand how to solve the problem or the problem itself. The consultation on this has been painfully long, the push back both valid and extremely biased by some.
Private VPN service vs company VPN services are usually identifiable. It can be a cat and mouse game and a whole load of technology can be bought to do it. Problems make money.
Most likely there will be changes to existing laws about using tools to bypass controls using IP masking techniques and those using them will be blocked from legitimate services whilst they are using them. Or not, consider it like age checking for buying a pint, or knives, or collect a prescription that can work until an adult thinks they are losing out on revenue.
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We’ve been governed by Blairites since 1997.
Hi lighted in red is illegal immigration and people smuggling, this is an example of what I was concentrating on in relation to VPNs and the suppression of discussion around such issues.
An ELITE police unit has been established to investigate people, adults, not children, who express concerns about the very people that pose a threat to children breaking into my country.
Peter Kyle’s been doing the media rounds this morning comparing Farage to Savile for saying he’d abolish the bill. The same Peter Kyle that voted against the Grooming Gangs bill and is very close friends with convicted child sex offenders.
The whole thing stinks.
Indeed. The irony.
Just to add to this, I have been keeping tabs on what this means for us. I do believe that it's been put in place to catch issues on the much larger communities than us, however this will have an effect on things here. Just need to work out how that will look.
(This isnt VPN related!)
Let me know when someone gets arrested for discussing immigration.
Surely we now in trouble for talking about it if that is the case.
I quoted the actual act which says it's about preventing illegal immigration and smuggling, where does it say any discussion?
You can find the full act on the government website, what you are referencing is just trying to sum it up which leads it open to misinterpretation, great for people who want to spread misinformation and rile up hate
Plenty already have.
ANYHOW - this started as a discussion on VPN's, not Politics....
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