Thanks Carl , I've got no diodes at the mo . But after going through switch edge test , I think I've,e narrowed it down to opto 4 on bookcase , when I switch the bookcase off the trough switch reads correctly on matrix test , but when I reconnect bookcase , which automatically has these switches in closed position , when I switch the trough switch. It shows up as Start button on the dmd , So I think I am correct in saying it is the opto 4 switch , same row as trough switch On the matrix ? Am I right here ? . So if it is the opto 4 would it be one of the diodes on the opto board that is at fault ? Any help would be appreciated . Also just noticed when I lift the playfield up in switch test mode the opto 4 switch keeps going open and closed , could this be a wire shorting out somewhere ?