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Stern price increase.

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Most of the above is speculation, insider comment is that while demand exceeds supply (currently back orders for 5000 games) they will exploit market.
Their strategy is price parity with JJP.
 
JAG555 said:
The only saving grace for us is if the £ continues to gain ground on the $. That could, in theory, keep prices the same (ish) for the UK.

At the end of the day though, these are just expensive toys. They are not an essential item like a car or place to live, so It should be taken into perspective.
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They most definitely ARE an essential item mate 😂
 
Surely it doesn't make a huge difference to people who sell one for every machine they bring in? Makes more of a difference to those who want to expand their collection or those new to the hobby. Having only got my first pin 6 weeks ago I'm going to have to limit myself to 3 including my vpin due to space and money. But once I have my next one I'll hopefully be able to sell one of my current line up when I want the next machine and just pay the difference, I expect that's how many people continue to afford NIB even if the prices go up. If building work and pins were cheaper I'd probably convert the garage and have 5-6 in there!
 
Wizcat said:
It comes from inflation doesn't it? Since the pandemic the rate at which the USA is printing and giving away stimulus cheques (literally free money to households) has gone a bit bezerk. $4 trillion dollars or there abouts. If every person in the USA suddenly has an extra $1200 in their pocket, then for sure it stimulates people to buy stuff, but that puts pressure on supply, which puts pressure on prices. So the inflation rates are flying up at the moment, despite all the markers that we use to 'measure' inflation being relatively unaffected yet.

Here's the M2 chart for usd in circulation. See if you can spot when the pandemic started and the USD money printers starting going brrr.. Covid has had an insane impact on the global economy. Japan has committed over half of it's GDP back into stimulus, so yeah, things are going to go nuts all over the world for a good while yet

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I think it’s around 12 trillion Paul the overall borrowing of USA federal government is capped at 25 trillion they need to raise it again or remove the cap as they have only got 850 billion in reserves now and will be bankrupt in 1 month
There is a massive **** storm brewing inflation up at 7% too
Jag555 the exchange rate rate has dropped $4 this week and a massive red day on the stock exchange yesterday
 
CHRIS B PINBALLS said:
I think it’s around 12 trillion Paul the overall borrowing of USA federal government is capped at 25 trillion they need to raise it again or remove the cap as they have only got 850 billion in reserves now and will be bankrupt in 1 month
There is a massive **** storm brewing inflation up at 7% too
Jag555 the exchange rate rate has dropped $4 this week and a massive red day on the stock exchange yesterday
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Yeah, I have been watching too, but overall it’s heading in the right direction! I haven’t looked at my shares, as it’s a ****show!
 
Jib said:
Surely it doesn't make a huge difference to people who sell one for every machine they bring in? Makes more of a difference to those who want to expand their collection or those new to the hobby. Having only got my first pin 6 weeks ago I'm going to have to limit myself to 3 including my vpin due to space and money. But once I have my next one I'll hopefully be able to sell one of my current line up when I want the next machine and just pay the difference, I expect that's how many people continue to afford NIB even if the prices go up. If building work and pins were cheaper I'd probably convert the garage and have 5-6 in there!
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That sounds great in theory, but in practice - with depreciation and price increase - it's going to cost me well over £1k to be able to sell my NIB (Nov 2020) AIQ to be able to afford the next NIB.

And that's taking into account that AIQ isn't a flop like BK:SOR, Munster etc.

As long as demand outstrips supply prices will continue to rise. Once the demand (due to cost) falls and comes closer to supply capacity prices will fall (ignoring inflation). Cost of materials is a red herring.
 
Wizcat said:
It comes from inflation doesn't it? Since the pandemic the rate at which the USA is printing and giving away stimulus cheques (literally free money to households) has gone a bit bezerk. $4 trillion dollars or there abouts. If every person in the USA suddenly has an extra $1200 in their pocket, then for sure it stimulates people to buy stuff, but that puts pressure on supply, which puts pressure on prices. So the inflation rates are flying up at the moment, despite all the markers that we use to 'measure' inflation being relatively unaffected yet.

Here's the M2 chart for usd in circulation. See if you can spot when the pandemic started and the USD money printers starting going brrr.. Covid has had an insane impact on the global economy. Japan has committed over half of it's GDP back into stimulus, so yeah, things are going to go nuts all over the world for a good while yet

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Thought they'd put all their stimmy checks into crypto ;)
 
Wayne J said:
That sounds great in theory, but in practice - with depreciation and price increase - it's going to cost me well over £1k to be able to sell my NIB (Nov 2020) AIQ to be able to afford the next NIB.

And that's taking into account that AIQ isn't a flop like BK:SOR, Munster etc.

As long as demand outstrips supply prices will continue to rise. Once the demand (due to cost) falls and comes closer to supply capacity prices will fall (ignoring inflation). Cost of materials is a red herring.
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Not to sure about that Wayne don’t forget every aiq will now be subject to the price increase so I would think the used market will also go up on modern stern defo mando and aiq as there are none out there to start with
 
Price increases already in effect at Pinball Heaven... £9.5k now for a JP2 premium. 12k for a LE Mando. New pro's £7.1k.

You can still buy in stock pins at the old prices. Everything is getting so expensive. I'm trying to lock in my garage conversion before prices go up again. Being told it could rise another 25% next year....
 
I'll be moving to ordering premiums as my pinball machine price limit is £10K

Neil.
 
I want Neil to reach 300 Pins but unless Pinball dies I don't see that happening... or maybe Neil buys a boat and buys abroad :D
 
Neil McRae said:
Its not about affordability; I just don't think any pinball machine is worth more than 10Gs.

If the NIB premium was to go more than 10K then I'd simply move to buy second hand or potentially the pro.

Neil.
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I am only pulling your leg.....

And I do agree, there has to be a ceiling somewhere, but we all know what happened to the ceiling at the end of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!
 
I know BTTF is not on the cards any time soon so no worries there. Dream themes might be the odd exception, like if they did a Star Wars that was good or Blues Brothers - first test I guess is 007 next year. But it would be the exception rather than the rule. Or potentially import them from the US.
 
Shame about AIQ already going up. I was weighing up that game but it'd been out of stock for a while. Looks like owning the Elwin holy trinity is off for the time being
 
I guess we will find out soon.


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M4carp said:
So Spooky’s Halloween CE’s were a steal then, they slashed the price compared to Stern’s LE’s🎃
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That's a good point that. Spooky now have the cheapest entry price don't they? Unless American Pinball are just undercutting them. Little opportunity here for one of the smaller hitters to be a more budget friendly NIB.
 
I don’t think spooky games are cheap to start with really there entry level games is more expensive than a stern pro isn’t it
 
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