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Wanted JJP Pirates of the Carribbean

Got figures of 12,15 & 20 in my head so that sounds right.
Think you may have to look further afield for a game.
 
The Standard Edition is the rarest 150 produced as opposed to 200 CE and 650 LE

There is an LE for sale in Finland and a SE for sale in France
 
Hullshark said:
That’s a good price ……… Checkout the prices the Yanks are paying on Pinside [emoji12]
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Just because it’s cheaper than what other stupid people are paying - it does not make it a good price. value and gameplay JJP POTC is a 7K game tops in my view.


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Neil McRae said:
Just because it’s cheaper than what other stupid people are paying - it does not make it a good price. Vlue and gameplay JJP POTC is a 7K game tops in my view.


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See Johnny mnemonic and recent shadow thread. Apparently its worth what people are prepared to pay. If I sold mine where could I find another? If people are quoting 3700 jm as a good price then this has to be worth around the prices I quoted.
 
Hullshark said:
£7k for a SE maybe, however, Alan sold a LE for £11k …… That’s a good price in my eyes for a highly desirable pin
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Its not highly desirable though. It is just rare - huge difference - let’s remember - why is it rare…?

after spending close to about a million dollars developing it - JJP pulled manufacturing because sales sucked so badly owing to the fact that gameplay was not great.

For the money there are so many better games available.


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Sven Normansson said:
See Johnny mnemonic and recent shadow thread. Apparently its worth what people are prepared to pay. If I sold mine where could I find another? If people are quoting 3700 jm as a good price then this has to be worth around the prices I quoted.
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I don’t disagree with your POV as to how you come to the valuation - but all of those games are over priced also but as noted people paying what I believe are genuinely stupid prices for average game play.

I have a shadow that pretty tidy, if I sold it which isn’t likely as it’s the wife’s favourite game - I’d sell it for £2600 which is what I believe is a fair price for the game.

On the one hand I see loads of folks moaning about prices - on the other I see folks rubbing their hands in glee as they sell games at high prices. You reap what you sow!
 
I’ve got to agree with Neil, you got to have a screw loose to be paying those prices or more money than sense!
A pinball machine £15k plus, shocking😂
I feel mad buying a new Halloween pin at £8.5k, I need to unaddict myself before I agree a pin is worth £15k!
 
When PotC was first released it was indeed poor.
The 3 spinning discs running constantly were continually breaking down and added nothing to the gameplay. Code was also poor. This stopped people buying immediately, and people assumed there would be an unlimited supply of them - like Woz and the 20 different 'limited' editions.
They reworked the spinning disc and updated and improved code, but the reputation was there.
Whether it was due to license or poor sales manufacturing stopped before people realised how good it was.

The game has great and varied shots, a fantastic toy in the rocking Black Pearl along with 5 different wizard modes, 6 standard multiballs and 20(?) different starting characters to play which greatly change how you can attack the game.
Despite its age, it stands up to any of the recent Stern LEs in depth, toys and gameplay, with the benefit of not having the build quality or clearcoat issues of recent games.
Then add in the sparcity of games, let alone those people willing to sell them, and the price has got to be at the very least that of a recent Stern LE.

(Anybody wanting to sell theirs for 7k I'll drop everything and come and collect with cash in hand - wherever you are in the country, or even Europe!)
 
Wayne J said:
When PotC was first released it was indeed poor.
The 3 spinning discs running constantly were continually breaking down and added nothing to the gameplay. Code was also poor. This stopped people buying immediately, and people assumed there would be an unlimited supply of them - like Woz and the 20 different 'limited' editions.
They reworked the spinning disc and updated and improved code, but the reputation was there.
Whether it was due to license or poor sales manufacturing stopped before people realised how good it was.

The game has great and varied shots, a fantastic toy in the rocking Black Pearl along with 5 different wizard modes, 6 standard multiballs and 20(?) different starting characters to play which greatly change how you can attack the game.
Despite its age, it stands up to any of the recent Stern LEs in depth, toys and gameplay, with the benefit of not having the build quality or clearcoat issues of recent games.
Then add in the sparcity of games, let alone those people willing to sell them, and the price has got to be at the very least that of a recent Stern LE.

(Anybody wanting to sell theirs for 7k I'll drop everything and come and collect with cash in hand - wherever you are in the country, or even Europe!)
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Let's also not forget that the fantastic mods that came out, re-engineered back in some of the removed elements. My POTC now has the chest that opens and shuts implemented better than was originally envisaged by JJP themselves, with lit chest interior to indicate the mode. This machine remains one of the most comprehensive and packed games I've ever owned and the idea that it it wouldn't be worth the same price or more as an anaemic specimen like Led Zep LE is so laughable it's derisory.
 
I bought Stern POTC on here for 3k a few months ago and simply adding the movie sounds made the whole experience like the film the pin was based on, it also had a shed load of nice shots and looked really good all round.
I cancelled my pre-order for JJP POTC when I realised the pin was virtually nothing to do with the theme, just another collect characters game with a kwl rocking ship and the screen basically a glorified scoreboard.
Yes, I paid a lot of money for Mando, is it worth that much ? No, but all new machines are overpriced, however I am extremely happy with it, they have full assets and resisted the temptation to just sell the machine on its name and actually put a lot of time, effort and love and make it a very special machine.
It’s a pity, I love JJP and what they did with Hobbit, that still is a truly stunning game and worth more than the 7k I paid for it when I compare it to most machines, I think they got caught with the amount of control that Disney had over the product, having full assets would have been a game changer.
 
Hullshark said:
NIB prices certainly affect current pinball prices
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Which in turn then prompt the temptation to buy a NIB.

I'm in for a Godzilla but the decision has most certainly been helped by seeing the recent cost of Bally Williams machines.

If I could get a Fish Tales and HS2 (just for example) for less than the price of a Stern pro NIB combined then there's a decision to make. However when average WPC titles can be 4.5k I just think it's better for me to save the extra bit and get NIB.

Don't get me wrong, some of the really great shopped/polished/pimped and modded older games that have been restored to new are worth the money imo. However nearly 4k for a players standard 90's machine just makes me shop NIB.
 
^^^ Makes perfect sense if you like the theme etc.

The only issue with NIB is quality control, manufacturers need to get it right before shipping
 
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Dave Bishop said:
New LE’s are now £12K.. a Pro is now £7K..
original games in good condition are going up.
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Of course they are - if you see all the mugs paying 12K for a POTC why wouldn’t you put the prices up!


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Wayne J said:
When PotC was first released it was indeed poor.
The 3 spinning discs running constantly were continually breaking down and added nothing to the gameplay. Code was also poor. This stopped people buying immediately, and people assumed there would be an unlimited supply of them - like Woz and the 20 different 'limited' editions.
They reworked the spinning disc and updated and improved code, but the reputation was there.
Whether it was due to license or poor sales manufacturing stopped before people realised how good it was.

The game has great and varied shots, a fantastic toy in the rocking Black Pearl along with 5 different wizard modes, 6 standard multiballs and 20(?) different starting characters to play which greatly change how you can attack the game.
Despite its age, it stands up to any of the recent Stern LEs in depth, toys and gameplay, with the benefit of not having the build quality or clearcoat issues of recent games.
Then add in the sparcity of games, let alone those people willing to sell them, and the price has got to be at the very least that of a recent Stern LE.

(Anybody wanting to sell theirs for 7k I'll drop everything and come and collect with cash in hand - wherever you are in the country, or even Europe!)
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Hmm POTC definitely had the pooling and build quality issues of all of the rest of JJP’s recent games. I was in for one early doors after seeing the game at expo but when they started to be delivered and the number of issues I cancelled.

But hey guys keep talking the value of games up!


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