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Has the bubble burst.........
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I've seen them go at £6,500 to £6,750, e.g.You're making the assumption a TZ goes for 6k? I mean it should be, but recent adverts are WELL north of that
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Neither do I, especially, but if someone forcibly delivered a pinball machine to my house, I'd rather it be TZ than - say - Mando, Bond, TMNT or Led Zeppelin.I don’t even like tz
Tbf Wayne in the 20 years or so I’ve been in the hobby the consensus has always been , and most people found , that unless you wildly overpaid then worst case you would see your money back again on most pins on resell , and in fact the prices kept creeping up year on year . Not talking about NIB - that’s always been a different matter.
Of course as we’ve seen it really accelerated the last few years.
Just one example - I have had 3 Fish Tales over the years . Price I paid ….
2004 - £375
2011 - £600
2019 - £1700
By 2022 £3000+ wasn’t unusual
A 5k TZ has been perfectly possible even in the last year . Know of 2 sold at that or less. I’d be surprised to see them at 3k again though tbh.
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Sorry to risk derailing the thread, but early on DRD's listing of home purchases includes 'she sheds'. Can I ask what these are? I've always thought that sheds were a men's thing; in vw circles, there's even a well known engine component, a 'Man in the Shed' cylinder head.
That said, though, most of the neighbours have sheds in their back gardens. I keep mine on the drive..
That said, though, most of the neighbours have sheds in their back gardens. I keep mine on the drive..
Anyone have a they shed ?? Gotta keep up with those pronouns
I have lost money on every single NIB I have ever bought, and expected to. It seems people don't expect to lose a grand on a NIB purchase, and think that by listing all the 'mods' they have added will mean it keeps it's value.
How much of that is due to natural inflation, as well as specific price increases for desirable machines?
I bought PotC for £2,200 and effectively swapped it for LotR at Pinfest in a 3 person trade. A net gain?
I bought GoT LE for £7,500 and then had to add £500 to switch to a NIB IMdn Pro.
I sold my WPT £2,000 after 5 years of owning it (and it being completely refurbed in that time) I paid £2,200. I can certainly cope with a £40 per year loss.
But then seeing people try and sell Stern DMD machines (without a colour DMD, or broken plastics and playfield wear) for over £4k, because it's 'what it owes them' is absolutely barmy.
Imagin how Williams amusements are feeling right now ??
I also see no value in mods to a machine , infact I think it devalues then except for the very odd few like creech video
Sorry - wasn’t talking about NIB …. I had just edited my post. Specifically older titles - your 90s dmd games etc
Yes, that's we *can't* sell our pins unless they've been specifically bought as 'a rotator' or 'temporary resident'. I really enjoy modding and there's not a snowball's chance in hades that I'd ever recoup the cost of the mods. Seriously, I'm currently doing a playfield swap on Alien Poker and I've probably paid as much for the playfield/stencils/star-posts/decals as the pin. There's no way I'd recoup that on sale, nor would I expect to, and I'm not exactly going to do all that work and let someone else enjoy the nice clean machine
The real p****r is where I have a temporary pin that promptly breaks down, spends weeks out of action while my husband finds the energy/opportunity to troubleshoot and fix the complex electrical fault (because I'm not smart enough to efficiently troubleshoot complex electrical faults)... and then I sell it to make room for another pin (as per the plan)
Not much money spent, but a lot of time spent on a pin we didn't really get to play. I guess I have to see that time as a pro-social 'donation' to the community 
Perfect storm which will impact the second hand market.
Those with the most money are not looking at players condition WPC's.
The rest of us are being more choosy because of bills, groceries, fuel and everything else increasing. Add in to the mix 6 new releases and the market gets flooded with people trying to sell games.
I think we'll see the likes of Fish Tales dip under £3k again and we'll also see a £10k Stern pro by 2025 (ish).
Those with the most money are not looking at players condition WPC's.
The rest of us are being more choosy because of bills, groceries, fuel and everything else increasing. Add in to the mix 6 new releases and the market gets flooded with people trying to sell games.
I think we'll see the likes of Fish Tales dip under £3k again and we'll also see a £10k Stern pro by 2025 (ish).
How many folk are holding off buying anything currently seeing how things settle - maybe wary of a falling market ? Which will only worsen a market seizing up , unless prices are slashed and everyone goes mental buying again 
Rinse repeat . See you for the next round of pinflation
Rinse repeat . See you for the next round of pinflation 
I sold off my high price stuff bar a couple and replaced with players condition cheaper older games expecting this to happen, I’m surprised they have kept going up for so long.How many folk are holding off buying anything currently seeing how things settle - maybe wary of a falling market ? Which will only worsen a market seizing up , unless prices are slashed and everyone goes mental buying again
As long as I have something to play with a few beers I’m happy, been there and done that and prefer battered up good playing old pins now
As for new prices
No wonder there are so many divorces in this hobby, I moan about my wife’s hairdresser cost
Ashbo
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Personally, no holding off from me, just a limit to the number of pins that can be moved around. (And emotional blackmail in the house used to nail what I do have to the floor)How many folk are holding off buying anything currently seeing how things settle - maybe wary of a falling market ? Which will only worsen a market seizing up , unless prices are slashed and everyone goes mental buying again
Unless you can physically go collect a pin, there is also dead time whilst the machine awaits collection, is transported, then delivered. A new experience for me - it's coming up a couple of months since I paid for the one I'm waiting for. until late last year I would jump in a van and pick up. Fully mobile, I would have probably bought and since resold a couple that have been up for sale on here. The WPT, BMDK and a couple of the RFMs would have been snapped up.
As it is, I'm hamstrung and happily waiting.....if they are stil around in six months (
)It's all my fault
I think it's more complex than that.
As I've said before, and will say again, no one has infinite space for storing pins. And there isn't a sliding scale of pinball machines whereby people who can afford a NIB Stern (or JJP) buys the 'New Hotness' and the poorest buyer has to try to find a lightly-used Bug's Bunny's Birthday Bash with a mouldy cab.
People have preferred periods of pins, which can include the 80s or B/W era. Manufacturers are also starting to realise this market exists too, hence stuff like Pulp Fiction and the Fathom remake.
I don't think there are many people, even in this hobby, who don't notice the cost of bills and groceries... That said, we did do a little survey last night of the games for sale (and recently sold) and the reasons for sale. It was always space reasons. In only one case was someone forced to sell due to an unexpected bill.
Space is not free. The space under each of our pinball machines could fund a couple of Bond 60th Anniversary editions.
Poor Fish Tales. Still my favourite pin, too...
I'm sure Stern will try to anally violate LE (and, to a lesser extent, Prem) buyers while keeping Pros cheap enough to be economical in arcades. They, and JJP, are running a FOMO and 'whale'-based business model, something I'm very familiar with from board game Kickstarters, and they'll keep on hiking prices while it still pays.
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I always thought the “ I’m only selling as I’ve run out of space” reason was a bit like “ it’s not you ,it’s me” break up excuse .
Thought it really meant “ bored of this pin, want rid so I can get another pin”
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Yes, basically. "I only have space for three pins and I'm bored of this one, so I want a different pin". But that's not the same as "I have space for three pins, but due to an unexpected bill, I can only own two pins". Unless you're swapping a EHOH for a slightly-mouldy Bug's Bunny's Birthday Bash, I suppose...I always thought the “ I’m only selling as I’ve run out of space” reason was a bit like “ it’s no you ,it’s me” break up excuse .
Thought it really meant “ bored of this pin, want rid so I can get another pin”
When reducing prices sellers also need to be realistic. A £100 price drop might feel like a lot, but on a £10k item that's 1% which frankly is insignificant.
You're absolutely correct. . . that's why I made several observations.
But I will concede it's more complex than the singular point you extracted from my more nuanced post.
Anyway. Standard Bisto gravy is now £3.10 in Tesco which is as good a barometer as any. I'm on the Aldi stuff now
It does mean that but that don't mean the machine is rubbish. Look at how many of us have bought the same machine back later . And the divorce analogy falls down at this point I guessI always thought the “ I’m only selling as I’ve run out of space” reason was a bit like “ it’s no you ,it’s me” break up excuse .
Thought it really meant “ bored of this pin, want rid so I can get another pin”
Bobbdobalina
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True but “ great pin, but bored sh*tless of it now and need to swap out because stuff gets old quickly “ doesn’t have the same sales ring to itIt does mean that but that don't mean the machine is rubbish. Look at how many of us have bought the same machine back later . And the divorce analogy falls down at this point I guess
If i had the money to buy several pins in the current climate.... be it NIB or older machines... I would have no issues with finding space.... thats the cheaper part of the equation!
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Not in Zone 3 London it’s not…
OopsBut I will concede it's more complex than the singular point you extracted from my more nuanced post.
Said by someone that lives in Wales. The equation is definitely the other way round for all of us that live in London
mplayfield
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I think it’s a bit early to judge,prices for early DMD games maybe slowing but the newer seemingly more desirable lcd sterns don’t seem to be dropping much and are linked like it or not to nib prices. I do think with such a lot of new releases this year there is a lot of shuffling of pins between us and it may squew the picture somewhat but if a Stranger Things pro was listed at 8k today I bet it would sell fast
If anyone is interested in throwing 8k at my Things Pro I’m all ears
Ashbo
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Inbox floods with PMsIf anyone is interested in throwing 8k at my Things Pro I’m all ears
I would say there's still a lot of money sloshing around in this hobby if the recent chinwag with Phil from PH is anything to go by.
There are over 4000 members on this forum and granted if only half of them are active that's still 2000 and generally you may only hear from 10% of that number as regular posters to the forum. From that I'd reckon there are quite a few with the space and funds for a NIB who probably don't even need to move a machine on to accommodate an incoming.
Pure speculation of course.
There are over 4000 members on this forum and granted if only half of them are active that's still 2000 and generally you may only hear from 10% of that number as regular posters to the forum. From that I'd reckon there are quite a few with the space and funds for a NIB who probably don't even need to move a machine on to accommodate an incoming.
Pure speculation of course.
