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Noone wants to contemplate using one, but I have just bought 3 units. When I have had league meetings before my Paragon started to smell a bit combustible (but was fine) and my Banzai had a coil lock on that did not blow the fuse.

Britannia ones are not the cheapest, but are made in the UK and meet loads of quality standards. They have aluminum bottles and a 10 year guarantee.

5kg £85
2kg £40

5kg for my garage/ workshop
5kg for my wood framed pinshed
2kg for my home

Unlike foam and powder, CO2 does not leave residue everywhere. Unlike water it is ok for electrical and liquid fires.

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'starting to smell a bit combustible' 😳😳😬
I'll pass on getting one of those then😄
 
I always have a small co2 canister for my kegs that I can use which is handy and costs me nothing extra.
Ive let those powder ones off in the past just to see what mess they make, not nice when it gets sprayed through the letter flap on your front door🤮
 
The powder ones were the most common a while ago. Now you are warned against using them indoors.....
 
I have these self activating fire extinguisher balls. You can mount them in a cradle on the wall. When they get hot enough they explode showering the area with powder. I don't want to be searching for fire extinguishers in a blind panic.

AFO Fire Extinguisher Ball, self-activation, AUTO FIRE OFF device https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07D42CXWV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_EED52YB7FTF0BHSMK1H0
If they're getting hot enough to "auto explode", your pins are already fcked...
 
If they're getting hot enough to "auto explode", your pins are already fcked...
Totally. They weren't bought with pinball machines in mind. They were bought to go in a room with a 3D printer running overnight. Pinball machines are insured, it's not about saving them.
 
Consider the fact that CO2 extinguishers aren't designed to be used on chip pan/ rubbish bin/ furniture fires or similar for the simple reason that they blow the burning debris around potentially spreading the fire. Water or foam is best in those cases. CO2 would definitely be the best option for a games room full of pinball machines, but probably not suitable elsewhere in the house.

Each extinguisher has their own purpose. There isn't a one size fits all. If there was that's the one everyone would be using.
 
Consider the fact that CO2 extinguishers aren't designed to be used on chip pan/ rubbish bin/ furniture fires or similar for the simple reason that they blow the burning debris around potentially spreading the fire. Water or foam is best in those cases. CO2 would definitely be the best option for a games room full of pinball machines, but probably not suitable elsewhere in the house.

Each extinguisher has their own purpose. There isn't a one size fits all. If there was that's the one everyone would be using.
Indeed, but do NOT use water anywhere near a chip pan fire!
 
New homes in Wales have to have sprinklers fitted.
People are getting them fitted and disconnecting though due to being worried about false alarms 💦
 
An elderly guy I know lives in South Africa near a place called Kimberley. Kimberley was once the wealthiest place on earth due to the diamond mine there. It is now like a South Yorkshire/ Nottinghamshire pit town- a bit down in the dumps.

His wife had a chip pan fire.

Unlike in the UK, public information films about placing wet tea towels over such fires were never screened.

His solution ? Wearing oven gloves he carried it outside, turning his head to protect his eyes.

It saved the house but he suffered burns on half of his face. No serious damage, but a nasty business. These burns needed wet bandaging for weeks.

The twist in the tale is that the burnt side of his face looks about 10 years younger than the factory fresh side.

This low cost anti-ageing technique is now known locally as the "Kimbeley Facial" but few are brave enough to try it
 
It's the what happens if you do put even a small amount of water on one that always stuck in my mind from school

 
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That fire brigade test thing is probably a scam. That cup does not contain water, it will be petrol or equivalent

Someone I knew sold goods at trade shows. This revolutionary and remarkably expensive mixer. How could it whip up milk like that ? Bit of thickener in the mix
 
That fire brigade test thing is probably a scam. That cup does not contain water, it will be petrol or equivalent

Someone I knew sold goods at trade shows. This revolutionary and remarkably expensive mixer. How could it whip up milk like that ? Bit of thickener in the mix
Dunno about that, not saying that things aren't enhanced for trade shows of course, but in this case physics will do the job all by itself.
Cooking oil can self-ignite at somewhere between 400-500 Celsius.
When water enters a pan of burning oil it will sink to the bottom as it's denser than oil, and will instantly boil due to it's much lower boiling point, as the now vaporised water expands (the volume of water in steam form is about 1600x the volume it is in liquid form) very quickly into the air taking the burning oil along with it.
 
Years ago I was burning in a new wok, you know just heating up a thin layer of oil, as they tell you to do. Must have got it too hot as it burst into flames. I tried the wet tea towel but as the wok was so big it didn't work so I carried it to the door, opened it and shoved it outside, not realising it was ****ing down with rain!! flaming pan erupted into a fireball which I threw faster than Ryu.
 
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Dunno about that, not saying that things aren't enhanced for trade shows of course, but in this case physics will do the job all by itself.
Cooking oil can self-ignite at somewhere between 400-500 Celsius.
When water enters a pan of burning oil it will sink to the bottom as it's denser than oil, and will instantly boil due to it's much lower boiling point, as the now vaporised water expands (the volume of water in steam form is about 1600x the volume it is in liquid form) very quickly into the air taking the burning oil along with it.
Water in hot stuff definitely explodes.

Learnt it the fun way when I was younger.
We melted a mates bmx trophies down trying to make some fake pound coins, one of us thought it was getting a bit hot and decided to add some water to cool it down....:tut:

Boom, molton pewter all over us!

We got 1 side of the coins looking alright, the other side was crap, they were also the wrong colour and the wrong weight. Needless to say, I haven't pursued a career in forgery!
 
Following working on the commissioning of a new building a few years ago, and being involved with the fire suppression systems for the building, datacentre, and also the portable fire extinguishers to be supplied, I would very, very strongly recommend a WATER MIST PORTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHER for use in the home (and the office and car).

@Wayne J earlier said that there isn't a single one size fits all fire extinguisher. This used to be the case but definitely is NOT the situation now.

Although filled with (de-ionised) water, when activated, the special nozzle, rather than generating a stream of water, generates an extremely fine mist. This forms a protective cloud in front of the operator, and has the effect of both starving the fire of oxygen and also cooling it effectively. Not only are they effective on a wide range of fires, they also have a quicker knock-down time than conventional types.

They can be used on most types of fire:
Class A - Wood, paper
Class B - Flammable liquids
Class F - Cooking oils and fat
They are also safe to use on electrical fires involving live electrical supply up to 1000v.

The only types they are not effective with are:
Class C - Flammable gasses (methane, propane etc..)
Class D - Burning metals (aluminium, lithium, magnesium)

The reason they are safe on electrical items is that the mist is formed of separate individual droplets, which don't conduct electricity. The best ones are also filled with de-ionised water which likewise does not conduct electricity.

The reason they are safe on chip pan fires is that the mist floats in the air above the burning oil and starves it of oxygen, whilst also cooling it.

If you use a conventional water extinguisher on a burning chip pan, the thing really does make a very good impression of a violent explosion. The fire brigade videos that @DRD was sceptical about above, are real. Pouring water on a burning chip pan causes the water to sink under the hot burning oil. It then heats up rapidly and instantly boils causing lots of steam to be ejected, which carried with it droplets of burning oil creating a vicious fireball.

Water mist extinguishers cause a lot less damage and mess than conventional water, foam, or powder extinguishers, and are environmentally friendly (if that is a concern).

In terms of damage to electrical and electronic equipment, this is minimal/zero as the actual amount of water delivered is very small. Also as it's de-ionised, it doesn't conduct electricity, and as it dries, leaves no residue.

Water mist systems are also now a recognised fire extinguishant solution for commercial datacentres, in place of previous gas based systems. After being triggered, the kit is left for the small amount of water to evaporate, and can then be re-started with no damage.

Needless to say, I have a water mist extinguisher in the kitchen at home, and another in the car!


Edited to add - The reason that they are not so widely used/known about is that initially they were significantly more expensive (although prices are coming down).

Also where offices/buildings already have conventional fire extinguishers in place, facilities management are not going to replace them all with new water mist ones - it's pretty difficult to justify the budget expense.

You will likely see much wider adoption in the future, particularly in new buildings.
 
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Never knew about the water misting fire extinguisher, good to know.
Some testing examples in the video.

Crazy dude and water/electricity😂
 
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