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he may get it. it costs very little to list, so all he needs is a ****ed up punter looking for that title. or a rich one to whom an extra grand is of no relevance
 
Need no..... it's just a bit of planking... a case of TADTS.

But best to view before you buy.
 
You can't - it is small splits in the wood/clear coat - not something you can polish out. Cleaning and polishing might make it a very slightly better, but you can't get rid of it without replacing the playfield (I made the mistake of buying a pin with planking, and was never happy with it so I sold it and bought another).
Cheers, Mark
 
Mark said:
You can't - it is small splits in the wood/clear coat - not something you can polish out. Cleaning and polishing might make it a very slightly better, but you can't get rid of it without replacing the playfield (I made the mistake of buying a pin with planking, and was never happy with it so I sold it and bought another).
Cheers, Mark
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Ok thanks I think I'll pass on it
 
New playfield... which will may/may not start planking itself.

There is no cure, but the correct enviroment should slow the process.
 
A local Bally Harley Davidson has turned on the bay...

It cant be worth 1k.......my mind thinks 400-600 as it's **** to play (but another part of my youth).....but maybe 1k is right due to the name and its association with 40 something accountants who dress up like the village people.
 
Never worth 1k. **** art work on the pf and not a ramp in sight!! I think you're right with £400- £600 tops.
 
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Seems a bit ironic that ebay sellers with inflated prices get slated on here but a TOM seller trying to shift his worn machine @ an inflated price via this forums "For Sale" section is not to be discussed in the same way, which is it, open season on all machines regardless of site or none at all?
 
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Seems a bit ironic that ebay sellers with inflated prices get slated on here but a TOM seller trying to shift his worn machine @ an inflated price via this forums "For Sale" section is not to be discussed in the same way, which is it, open season on all machines regardless of site or none at all?
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Yeah ...it's a crazy mixed up world ain't it :)
 
Judge Dreads said:
Seems a bit ironic that ebay sellers with inflated prices get slated on here but a TOM seller trying to shift his worn machine @ an inflated price via this forums "For Sale" section is not to be discussed in the same way, which is it, open season on all machines regardless of site or none at all?
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Because it's too subjective and everyone's varying opinion thrown in doesn't help someone trying to sell a machine here, whether inflated (in your personal opinion) or not. You think it's too expensive, hey just send them a PM. Ebay is a third party site, so, suppose anything goes....

Dreads, I've just sold my Whitewater (stripped and rebuilt just over a year ago). How much do think I sold it for? Just curious..... ;). BTW, I got what I wanted for it and buyer paid what he wanted to pay.
 
JMP said:
Because it's too subjective and everyone's varying opinion thrown in doesn't help someone trying to sell a machine here, whether inflated (in your personal opinion) or not. You think it's too expensive, hey just send them a PM. Ebay is a third party site, so, suppose anything goes....

Dreads, I've just sold my Whitewater (stripped and rebuilt just over a year ago). How much do think I sold it for? Just curious..... ;). BTW, I got what I wanted for it and buyer paid what he wanted to pay.
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Why should a seller on ebay be subjected to everyone and his dogs opinion regarding value and condition yet someone selling the same item on the forum be given discretion and possible immunity from opinion, that is just bollox even if I do say so myself.

I agree that it is all personal opinion but why should preference be given to members selling pins on here, how many times have I read over the years of someone getting caught out because they purchased a machine from a UK pinball group member or forum member because they felt a sense of security or familiarity?

With regards to the WH20, I would not even guess a value without seeing some decent pics and having a list of work done or knowing that nothing had been done etc :)
 
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Judge Dreads said:
Why should a seller on ebay be subjected to everyone and his dogs opinion regarding value and condition yet someone selling the same item on the forum be given discretion and possible immunity from opinion, that is just bollox even if I do say so myself.
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Well, comments made here about an Ebay auction aren't published on Ebay for a start and so don't directly affect someone's sale, other than influencing people here as potential buyers of course. Less likely to p*ss off the seller too?

BTW, I don't get into price wars on Ebay stuff here either... same old applies to me; worth what seller wants and what buyer is willing to pay.

I agree that it is all personal opinion but why should preference be given to members selling pins on here, how many times have I read over the years of someone getting caught out because they purchased a machine from a UK pinball group member or forum member because they felt a sense of security or familiarity?
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There's pros and cons to both sides and see your side of it believe me. I've been there !! For me though, simple point is drawing a line to where it goes OTT, which I thought you had acknowledged in the selling advice thread tbh.

With regards to the WH20, I would not even guess a value without seeing some decent pics and having a list of work done or knowing that nothing had been done etc :)
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But you endorse it being thrown into someone's for sale thread without the same FULL info? ;)

Anyway, have said before just leave all as is.... Up to Paul and whoever anyway. Just felt it was shame if this place wasn't seen as the best place to sell a pinball machine.



Forums eh? Don't you just love 'em. :)
 
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Surely it is right to have a debate on what is a good or bad price, regardless of where the pin is being sold,
If some believe the person is down pricing or up pricing, let the pinball public know, and then others can nay say if they disagree.
I totally see that this conversation should not be in the selling thread, maybe have it here with eBay, and rename it pinball sales opinions :)
 
Judge Dreads said:
Why should a seller on ebay be subjected to everyone and his dogs opinion regarding value and condition yet someone selling the same item on the forum be given discretion and possible immunity from opinion, that is just bollox even if I do say so myself.

I agree that it is all personal opinion but why should preference be given to members selling pins on here, how many times have I read over the years of someone getting caught out because they purchased a machine from a UK pinball group member or forum member because they felt a sense of security or familiarity?

With regards to the WH20, I would not even guess a value without seeing some decent pics and having a list of work done or knowing that nothing had been done etc :)
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I look at this in terms of the effect on our forum community, which helps me differentiate in my own mind between ebay, and our own forum. For me, I'd argue in favour of things that I believe contribute to this community, and against things that I think damage it - and I'm ambivalent about things that lie between those two extremes. Personally, I'm not really interested in ebay prices or people's opinions of them, but I don't see this thread as being in any way damaging to the forum community. Along with the 'pinball prices' thread, it is separated out so the members of our community who want to discuss opinions of prices and condition can, and people who don't want to see it can easily avoid it - that is a far better solution that the old yahoo group, where you could not get away from the almost constant price discussion threads that contributed to making that place so bad. So I see this ebay thread (along with the pin price thread) as a very positive thing, as it provides a compromise that satisfies two different sides of our forum community, with no negative effect on this community. Any effect people's posts here may have on the ability of ebay sellers to make a sale (which I incidentally suspect is none whatsoever) I do not really care about.

But that seems very different to when one of our community members tries to make a sale, and has their post hijacked by opinions which degrade into criticism, and derail the chance of a sale, and leave them with the impression that it is too much hassle to even try. If we leave the for sale threads alone, then the only two people who's opinions actually count for anything can get on with their transaction, and if they can't agree on a price, or the buyer is not happy with the quality when they go see it, or whatever, they won't transact. The alternative, alienating people to the extent that they stop using parts of the forum, I see as very damaging to our community.


Whilst I understand that occasionally people may have had bad experiences buying from the yahoo group, or even on here, I don't see how the solution to that would be a free-for-all of opinions being made on for sale threads - by their very nature, being opinions, they will all differ, and are all equally valid (or invalid, depending on which way you look at it), and there is little or no chance of a consensus of opinion, so they are unhelpful all round. The solution to that problem is a tried and tested legal concept: 'buyer beware' - go and look before you buy.
 
If no one is enlightened or influenced by the thread then what is the point of it?, to say that no one on here is influenced by the "ebay" thread is probably nonsense, a noob reading these opinions may avoid an ebay pin that is slated on here for whatever reason, the seller may even be a forum member that does not post but does have to be subjected to watching his ebay listing being torn to shreads without discretion. I am all for the forum, I have been here from day one, I also like equality.
 
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If no one is enlightened or influenced by the thread then what is the point of it?, to say that no one on here is influenced by the "ebay" thread is probably nonsense, a noob reading these opinions may avoid an ebay pin that is slated on here for whatever reason, the seller may even be a forum member that does not post but does have to be subjected to watching his ebay listing being torn to shreads without discretion. I am all for the forum, I have been here from day one, I also like equality.
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I'd argue that enlightenment or influence are not two criteria of posting. There are many people in the forum community who do post in this thread, and there are many not interested in price/condition discussions who value the fact it is kept separate, so I'd argue that there is in fact a lot of point to it.

Regarding influencing noobs, what you say might be correct about them being influenced by a negative/mocking post in this thread, but that scenario would surely be the exception rather than the rule - and therefore not a great argument in favour of moderating out these sorts of comments. Besides which, the most common advice I see for noobs on here is to avoid ebay - there have been posts to this effect in the last month or so - so if this thread truly does put them off (which if I'm honest I do not really believ at all), that would be in line with the advice they were getting elsewhere in the forum. Also, if the seller was on this forum, and if they cared about the comments in this thread, they would surely mention it - but I don't remember that happening, ever - and I have also been a member of the forum since day 1 :-)
 
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What's the history here then? I could take a look if anyone is interested as it's local.
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history... seller is a cocnut.

It's been up in excess of 6 times, oscillating between 600 starting bid and 99p start (where it's shilled up to 300 instantly by the same bidders).

Avoid like putting 10p into a double dragon 3 arcade machine.
 
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JMP said:
Because it's too subjective and everyone's varying opinion thrown in doesn't help someone trying to sell a machine here, whether inflated (in your personal opinion) or not. You think it's too expensive, hey just send them a PM. Ebay is a third party site, so, suppose anything goes....

Dreads, I've just sold my Whitewater (stripped and rebuilt just over a year ago). How much do think I sold it for? Just curious..... ;). BTW, I got what I wanted for it and buyer paid what he wanted to pay.
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How much did you sale whitewater for I'm curious to see how much there going for
 
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