I understand it was well intentioned and gave the sales thread a bump.
But the price is immaterial.
I can’t speak for Marcel but if it was my thread and I’d gone on holiday to return to someone ( however we’ll intentioned) lowering and pushing the sale of my pin without my knowledge, would of ticked me off.
No one but Marcel would have known his circumstances and whether he may have had a change of mind or had a limit to which he wanted to drop to.
Regardless of his first post, things change and only the seller should steer a sales thread.
Whether that’s price discussions or invited help.
Only my opinion, and not necessarily Marcels .
@vr46 i seem to have a lot to say about every pin advertised? Really ? @vr46 dont have a pop at me just because one or two keyboard warriors on here take things a bit too serious … don’t lower yourself to that level, your better than that …silver paolo seems to have a lot to say about ever pin advertised on this site.has he bought one. how did the the getaway sale go.he said he would update when he collected it ?
sttng,pickholders v pin,jp2,aiq prem,p o c, there are a lot more ! there is no need to make a comment every time member puts their pinball up for sale.if you are bored try face book and stop derailing threads.@vr46 i seem to have a lot to say about every pin advertised? Really ? @vr46 dont have a pop at me just because one or two keyboard warriors on here take things a bit too serious … don’t lower yourself to that level, your better than that …
Now not that it’s any of your particular business about the getaway pin I’ve arranged to collect it on the 10th of June and of course will post pictures once collected …
It’s a forum people are entitled to comment on threads it’s not derailing them at all … and by the way if I want to comment on each post I will do , generally I contribute positively to this forum and can comment where I like so I suggest you get off your soap box and stop having a pop …sttng,pickholders v pin,jp2,aiq prem,p o c, there are a lot more ! there is no need to make a comment every time member puts their pinball up for sale.if you are bored try face book and stop derailing threads.
ok sorry,i hope your getaway enhances your collection.It’s a forum people are entitled to comment on threads it’s not derailing them at all … and by the way if I want to comment on each post I will do , generally I contribute positively to this forum and can comment where I like so I suggest you get off your soap box and stop having a pop …
I’ve plenty of pins so naturally i have an opinion on some titles
Now off ya pop and go have a do at someone else
It will fit in lovely cheersok sorry,i hope your getaway enhances your collection.
Now it's not for sale, I'll comment, feel free to ignore.Your welcome to send Martin, but I am short of good packing materials, however I will dismantle it ready for any courier or work with the buyer to load up.
Pulled the sale, it has not sold and I cannot bear to sell it any cheaper than £4,500. IMO, it is just too much game for the money. Feel free to disagree, but despite a desperate need for a new roof, I will not give me pin away. I know I would have regretted it if I had sold at £4,500 or even just above and so, I have a change of heart, this one's having another year in sunny Huddersfield.
@Marcel, sadly, that's not how pinball pricing works. I wish it was, because then my Fish Tales would be worth the same as a JJP Guns and Roses, but - for some reason - people think there are multiple pins worth more than my GOAT. Likewise, I remain shocked at the (relatively) low prices that The Shadow goes for, especially the ones with the alternative cartoon back-glass because - no sh*t - when I first played the fully restored one that was at Pinball Republic for a while, I actually thought it was a mid 2010s DMD Stern and not a Bally/Williams.IMO, it is just too much game for the money.
Well, yes, but fun means different things to different people. Well regarded also tends to be a consensus position, i.e. lots of people tend to kind-of like something and some like it a lot. One of the things I learned from playing thousands of board games is that inoffensive, milquetoast and relatively pleasing to most people can end up extremely well regarded. There was a period where what I found to be the most boring game imaginable, an almost solo card game about birds, ended up being top ranked on the biggest hobbyist website because the components were nice, the theme was inoffensive, it was easy to learn, and the gameplay didn't upset anyone. As a result, lots of people enjoyed it well enough, some people were passionate about it, and no one really disliked it.There’s a strong correlation between what a pin goes for and how ‘fun’ it is, how well it plays and how good the rules are. There always has been.
Just because new blood has come in and paid over the odds for less desirable pins doesn’t mean prices have merged on them.
Edit: Individual people like particular tables for all sorts of reasons, and that’s great, but the best regarded tables will always command a higher price.
Have you played Stern NBA?@Paul any chance you could add the word milquetoast to the site's dictionary of blocked words/blacklist, on account of it having no place on a forum about pinball machines!
Twilight Zone, for example, isn't half as entertaining as if you first played it in an arcade in the 90s - so, personally, I don't rate it that high.
It's also 'new people don't have the same life experiences, so find different things fun'. If you come into pinball from video games and analogue tabletop gaming in 2023 then you've got no nostalgia, and are interested in speed, rules and dexterity above most other things. Twilight Zone, for example, isn't half as entertaining as if you first played it in an arcade in the 90s - so, personally, I don't rate it that high.
What I meant was that Twilight Zone was really innovative when released in 1993. Loads of modes, tonnes of toys, and a theme that was only thirty years out of date.Did you play Fish Tales in the wild in the 90s ?
If not - then I’m not following your reasoning here
Simple answer to this is that pinball is a nostalgia based hobby which is why there are no 18 year olds regularly posting here. Twilight Zone commands the price it does because the 50 year olds amongst us played it in the pub in the early 90s and owning one of our own seemed an unbelievable pipedream. No one played Godzilla with it's lcd screen in a pub and dreamed of owning their own. Value is not defined by fancy technology, it's not about the latest screens or most recent themes. It's about playing something endlessly in your youth and miraculously getting to the priveledged position of one day being able to own your own.What I meant was that Twilight Zone was really innovative when released in 1993. Loads of modes, tonnes of toys, and a theme that was only thirty years out of date.
In 2023, I’ve seen another thirty years of pinball mechs and the TV series is ancient history. I’m used to playing computer games, which have very complex coding and reward good reflexes, but my interest in pinball is about the physicality of something that *isn’t* a computer game. So, my first experience of TZ was in a room with 40 other pins of different eras and, comparatively speaking, the theme makes no sense, the mechs are overblown but otherwise a’okay, it plays a bit sluggish, and the code is so-so.
At the same time, there’s a fishing pin that happens to reward speed and dexterity, and is pretty fast-moving too. It’s very physical and easy-to-learn, but hard to master. The theme makes a lot more sense too because fishing is an evergreen hobby. It’s also thirty years old and I’ve no memory of playing it in the 90s either. I first play it on the computer, lots of times, and find it good fun. But it’s somehow two to three times cheaper than the TZ.
The thirty-year-old TZ is also the same price as a HUO two-year-old Stern Godzilla Pro with better code and an LCD screen.
Can you understand why this pricing makes no sense to me, at all?
the theme makes no sense, the mechs are overblown but otherwise a’okay, it plays a bit sluggish, and the code is so-so.
There aren’t any 18 year olds regularly posting here because of the price of pins - not nostalgia.Simple answer to this is that pinball is a nostalgia based hobby which is why there are no 18 year olds regularly posting here.
Twilight Zone commands the price it does because the 50 year olds amongst us played it in the pub in the early 90s and owning one of our own seemed an unbelievable pipedream. No one played Godzilla with it's lcd screen in a pub and dreamed of owning their own. Value is not defined by fancy technology, it's not about the latest screens or most recent themes. It's about playing something endlessly in your youth and miraculously getting to the priveledged position of one day being able to own your own.