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Some words of encouragement for anyone not currently in the Uk competitive pinball scene…

Jmac

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Following on from Craig’s @roadshow16 and David’s @David_Vi posts in the latest Pinhaus event thread https://www.pinballinfo.com/community/threads/pinhaus-pinballs-alive-21st-october.56093/page-2 I think it’s important to just offer a few words of encouragement to anyone out there who maybe like me competitive pinball wasn’t on their radar. Apologies for the long post below….

I enjoyed pinball in my teens although was much more drawn to the 90s arcade games. Again at university I enjoyed pinball and regularly played 4 player games on T2 in our JCR. So much in fact that the following year when a bunch of us moved out of halls into a house that we clubbed together to buy a pin that lived in our lounge for a couple of years. Fast forward 15 odd years and at a different stage of life being married with kids I got back into pinball ownership. It’s been said many times but it truly is a disease with over 100 pins moving in and out of here in the past 6 years. Through buying/selling pinball deals I made some good mates in them first few years and a number of people who will be life long friends and we speak multiple times a week and generally not even about pinball! @CHRIS B PINBALLS @Gonzo to name a couple of them (sorry to the others not name dropped) Competitive pinball wasn’t my mindset and I was very content with my pinball experience.

I first met @David_Vi a few years back after he reached out on here for a sheet of glass after one of his exploded during removal. I offered him one I had spare as he wasn’t too far away so he called round. The friendship between David, Claire and myself grew over a couple of years to a point where I would lend them some of my excess pins to look after and even went with them one very cold dark night into the depths of Bedfordshire in the middle of nowhere to ensure they didn’t get murdered while picking up a Centaur eBay purchase 🤣🤣. David would regularly invite me to the meets at the Pinhaus but I politely declined as my general impression of the competitive side was people who took winning and losing games of pinball too seriously and it didn’t seem the friendly environment I wanted to be part of. How wrong I was. David wore me down and I attended my first competition at the end of April this year at their house. From that first day my pinball experience has been enhanced more than I could have imagined. The community they have brought together in the East Anglian region is second to none. You couldn’t meet a friendlier more supportive bunch of people who like us all just love pinball. The standard of player is also growing considerably shown by the decent number of us who have broken into the Uk top 100 in the past year. The top 20 need to watch out as @NateG119 @DanEFC and @OTRawrior just to name a few are coming for your spot 😀 A couple of the younger players Issac Granby and George Bennett are also top players of the future and their enthusiasm for pinball at such a young age is mind blowing. I’ve also had the pleasure at playing at events in other areas of the country and am totally addicted. I’m looking forward to my first visit to Salisbury in December and to Tilt this coming weekend. I’ll definitely do my best to get down to Tony and Mikes club in the coming year too. Hopefully PR too next month for the critical hit tournament.

The friendship, support and encouragement from other people throughout the country that I have met at many events has also been incredible. @roadshow16 @Matt Vince @robotgreg @Genotime @DanLewell @replicas @Diane B & Clive and others thank you very much for the help and advice throughout the past 6 months

Bottom line is if you’re currently on here and just casually owning and playing your own pins with friends then please take the plunge and get to one of the events. Yes it seems intimidating and yes it really will expose your lack of game knowledge for so many pins you’ve not played before. But the rewards vastly outweigh this. I guarantee you will make more good friends in the hobby. Events like pinfest become even more enjoyable the more people you know to chat to, have a beer with and a few games. On the contrary to my initial stereotype although there are players who take it very seriously the overwhelming majority are participating for the fun of it. Personally it has also opened my eyes to some eras of games that I had no experience in. I’m currently going down the rabbit hole of loving system 11 and 80s solid state pins and adding some to my own collection.

On a side note just to pick up on one of David’s comments. It may of been true that a few years ago a new East Anglican League Region might not of been feasible. I’m not sure this is still the case and maybe needs to be discussed again with the league organisers. There is now a decent foundation of 25/30 players and like I said earlier some of these are rising up the rankings quickly. I get that there will probably be pushback from other regions if they lose a qualifying place for the league finals but surely the more people participating the better or alternatively expand the number of qualifying people. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 venues with 8+ pins - mine, Pinhaus, pinball office and a couple more places that maybe could be persuaded @Spandangler @MajesticPinball

Although I’m throwing her in at the deep end (without asking) @Lecari would be the perfect person to run this region. She already does so much for the hobby from organising tournaments at home, the pinball office and even on tour for @AlanJ. Also volunteering to organise all the other helpers at the Uk Open to help Neil put the Uk on the world pinball tournament map - it doesn’t go unnoticed. I predict Claire to be in the future Uk Pinball Hall of Fame for service to the community as a whole



If you’ve got this far thanks for reading my essay and hope to bump into you at an upcoming event 😀
 
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Following on from Craig’s @roadshow16 and David’s @David_Vi posts in the latest Pinhaus event thread https://www.pinballinfo.com/community/threads/pinhaus-pinballs-alive-21st-october.56093/page-2 I think it’s important to just offer a few words of encouragement to anyone out there who maybe like me competitive pinball wasn’t on their radar. Apologies for the long post below….

I enjoyed pinball in my teens although was much more drawn to the 90s arcade games. Again at university I enjoyed pinball and regularly played 4 player games on T2 in our JCR. So much in fact that the following year when a bunch of us moved out of halls into a house that we clubbed together to buy a pin that lived in our lounge for a couple of years. Fast forward 15 odd years and at a different stage of life being married with kids I got back into pinball ownership. It’s been said many times but it truly is a disease with over 100 pins moving in and out of here in the past 6 years. Through buying/selling pinball deals I made some good mates in them first few years and a number of people who will be life long friends and we speak multiple times a week and generally not even about pinball! @CHRIS B PINBALLS @Gonzo to name a couple of them (sorry to the others not name dropped) Competitive pinball wasn’t my mindset and I was very content with my pinball experience.

I first met @David_Vi a few years back after he reached out on here for a sheet of glass after one of his exploded during removal. I offered him one I had spare as he wasn’t too far away so he called round. The friendship between David, Claire and myself grew over a couple of years to a point where I would lend them some of my excess pins to look after and even went with them one very cold dark night into the depths of Bedfordshire in the middle of nowhere to ensure they didn’t get murdered while picking up a Centaur eBay purchase 🤣🤣. David would regularly invite me to the meets at the Pinhaus but I politely declined as my general impression of the competitive side was people who took winning and losing games of pinball too seriously and it didn’t seem the friendly environment I wanted to be part of. How wrong I was. David wore me down and I attended my first competition at the end of April this year at their house. From that first day my pinball experience has been enhanced more than I could have imagined. The community they have brought together in the East Anglian region is second to none. You couldn’t meet a friendlier more supportive bunch of people who like us all just love pinball. The standard of player is also growing considerably shown by the decent number of us who have broken into the Uk top 100 in the past year. The top 20 need to watch out as @NateG119 @dpock and @OTRawrior just to name a few are coming for your spot 😀 A couple of the younger players Issac Granby and George Bennett are also top players of the future and their enthusiasm for pinball at such a young age is mind blowing. I’ve also had the pleasure at playing at events in other areas of the country and am totally addicted. I’m looking forward to my first visit to Salisbury in December and to Tilt this coming weekend. I’ll definitely do my best to get down to Tony and Mikes club in the coming year too.

The friendship, support and encouragement from other people throughout the country that I have met at many events has also been incredible. @roadshow16 @Matt Vince @robotgreg @Genotime @DanLewell @replicas @Diane B & Clive and others thank you very much for the help and advice throughout the past 6 months

Bottom line is if you’re currently on here and just casually owning and playing your own pins with friends then please take the plunge and get to one of the events. Yes it seems intimidating and yes it really will expose your lack of game knowledge for so many pins you’ve not played before. But the rewards vastly outweigh this. I guarantee you will make more good friends in the hobby. Events like pinfest become even more enjoyable the more people you know to chat to, have a beer with and a few games. On the contrary to my initial stereotype although there are players who take it very seriously the overwhelming majority are participating for the fun of it. Personally it has also opened my eyes to some eras of games that I had no experience in. I’m currently going down the rabbit hole of loving system 11 and 80s solid state pins and adding some to my own collection.

On a side note just to pick up on one of David’s comments. It may of been true that a few years ago a new East Anglican League Region might not of been feasible. I’m not sure this is still the case and maybe needs to be discussed again with the league organisers. There is now a decent foundation of 25/30 players and like I said earlier some of these are rising up the rankings quickly. I get that there will probably be pushback from other regions if they lose a qualifying place for the league finals but surely the more people participating the better or alternatively expand the number of qualifying people. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 venues with 8+ pins - mine, Pinhaus, pinball office and a couple more places that maybe could be persuaded @Spandangler @MajesticPinball

Although I’m throwing her in at the deep end (without asking) @Lecari would be the perfect person to run this region. She already does so much for the hobby from organising tournaments at home, the pinball office and even on tour for @AlanJ. Also volunteering to organise all the other helpers at the Uk Open to help Neil put the Uk on the world pinball tournament map - it doesn’t go unnoticed. I predict Claire to be in the future Uk Pinball Hall of Fame for service to the community as a whole



If you’ve got this far thanks for reading my essay and hope to bump into you at an upcoming event 😀
I used to do annual meetups for Essex and the East Anglians maybe 5odd years ago with the grand plans to build up the Essex region and create a scene here, it brought a lot of people together and initiated David into the scene where I think he realized for the first time that other crazy pinball people existed who had machines crammed into every room imaginable 😂 Unfortunately the flat I'm living in now just wouldn't accommodate more than 5/6 pinballers so since being here I haven't been able to host anything. And although I probably own 18+ pins I only actually have 4 setup here so sadly my place is way off the cards for future events which is a huge shame as I used to absolutely love hosting. One day maybe 😂

I'm not too clued in with the logistics and politics of the UK League but I definitely think it's long overdue that this region was included within the league.
 
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Great post @Jmac !

Completely agree, similar story for me (without the 100+ machines coming and going though hopefully that's still to come haha), I'd previously only entered Pinfest or the occasional Slam/expo tournament, essentially doing 1 a year, and hadn't taken the plunge to doing any more than that, until I entered the Pinball office anniversary tournament in January, and met @David_Vi and @Lecari and received a Pinhaus invite off the back of it. Since then I've met so many awesome people and travelled to lots of new locations and am having an absolute blast. Just wish I'd done it sooner really!

I am always blown away by how great the UK Pinball community is, and how quickly it absorbed me and supported me to learn and get better. Long may it continue!
 
Great words @Jmac. It epitomises a lot of our starts in competitive pinball, it takes a bit of courage to put yourself out there and try something new, but it's so worth it. I know that a lot of people's perception of competitive pinball will be taken from a snap shot of conversations/disagreements/arguments over points/how things should be run etc etc.

But it's so much more than that. There is so much joy to be had and so many good people to meet, it's so so worth it. You will quickly find your sweet spot in terms of how seriously/not seriously you want to take it and this will probably change over time, which is great!

FWIW, it definitely feels like the momentum is now there for an East Anglian region of the UK League and it deserves a spot. I'm sure it has been on @Wayne J radar for some time, he has worked tirelessly on building grass roots pinball in the UK and the East Anglian scene epitomises all that is good at regional level.

As our pinball companies have been saying since the 60's, It's more fun to compete!
 

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I appreciate the kind words from @Jmac and others. It's great to have built a community out here, I think It just took a few comps at ours and the pinball office opening. Nothing that the other regions must have done, but years previously. 😄

It's been barren here except the yearly meets run by @MajesticPinball which i believe were more a get together of locals with a casual comp, I only attended one when new to the hobby but it made an impression on me, before I even owned a pin! At the time James wasn't into the competitive side at all, but has jumped in since he's became more social with the working closely with the PBR crew. But for me it inspired me to get moving with my first house and pin purchase which has since spiralled out of control 😄
But still I wasn't the most social person and unaware of the competitive scene like a lot of people, thinking it was too serious for me.
However I started talking to people at my second Pinfest, had a go in the comp thanks to encouragement from @windoesnot and this lead us to attend more events, mainly because of the people and great moments they create.

I just love pinball! I'm not a great player but I absolutely love the camaraderie and social side of competitions, the points are a bonus and create talking points and milestones to aim for.

I've discovered one of my favourite things is the event planning, the game set up especially. I spent a long time getting all our games playing tough but fair, ensuring they don't play too long. I have a real obsession with fettling and flipper alignment/tweaks as a lot of you know 😄

If competitions were all card/league based with no socialising I wouldn't care for the competitive scene.

Before pinball I had a handful of local friends I rarely saw, I went to occasional gigs but didn't talk to anyone. With pinball I have made so many great friends and that's because of the grassroots competition scene (and Claire's ability to talk to people)😄

So I'd definitely encourage people to attend local comps or league meets, even if you don't think you're into competitive play!
 
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Thank you so much @Jmac for all the kind words.

My first real pinball competition was at Neil's. I was really upset because I was last for most of the day, but lots of people gave me tips (like Peter) and everyone was so friendly. I learnt from that, that while I am a competitive person and was gutted to be near the bottom, no one else cared! So I always remind myself of that when I've played badly (and gotten a wooden spoon!). No one takes it seriously or laughs at you, they're just happy you're there.

At my first Pinfest and every event since, everyone has been so friendly, helpful and welcoming - from helping with free glass when David smashed Fish Tales, helping me to find a Diner, replacing Diner's lock ball flap (as it was a Butterkist box), support after JP fell. Plus no end of advice and support for David when fixing pins (mostly mine). I honestly haven't met a friendlier bunch in any hobby, and I really am proud to be part of it and help make things happen - and pleased that I have helped to host events that people enjoy coming to. I love hosting people and being around people, and organising events. It's not something I find difficult or stressful, and so I always feel a bit embarrassed when people mention it as to me it's no big deal. But I am really proud of the community we've built in this area - and a big thanks is to @Hiltoncriss for opening the Pinball Office for everyone and letting me run the league and comps there. I don't think we would have met so many amazing people without it!

I do hope anyone considering attending an event feels encouraged to give it a try from this thread! Come and say hi, see what it's all about, and then decide - it might not be for you, but you'll never know until you give it a try.
 
Good post.
As some of you know I’ve been around a while on the scene - I remember when the UK league first started , 16 years or so ago maybe ??? That was my first taste of league / competition pinball . Think I was pretty into it for about 3 or 4 seasons , even held a League meet here once , did some tourneys at shows too. To be honest was into the beer drinking and general laughs a bit more so ditched the competition part . I never really enjoyed the show tournaments / world ranking points stuff looking back . Mortally hungover to the point of tears at the DPC in Eindhoven was a low point 😂 I’m not a competitive person.

But the social side was good fun 😃
Met a bunch of good folk in those early days , a few still on here , ended up Admin on here for a while , heavily involved with the Slam …. good days 😊

And like you some remain good friends to this day outside of pinball , some like @Will2.0 I would dearly love to get rid of but he just won’t take the hint 😂

I have though pretty much dropped the social side of pinball 🤷‍♂️ , besides occasionally with my good buddies the old South Coast Slam crew. Think last show I went to was Play Expo 2017 ? Think I went to Pinball Republic once in the early days ?
Things change. My passion for pinball ebbs more than flows these days sadly. That’s life though . Peace out ✌️

 
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I have though pretty much dropped the social side of pinball 🤷‍♂️ , besides occasionally with my good buddies the old South Coast Slam crew. Think last show I went to was Play Expo 2017 ?
That’s a shame :( As one of the forum regulars, it’s always nice to bump into forum posters who’ve been around for longer than I have at big events like Pinfest :)
 
People can take very different things from comps.

There’s some really good people out there. The amount of people who are willing to give up their time and energy to help you to get games running etc is fantastic. I know how much some people have helped me out, so thanks 😀 (admitted there are some very intense people out there as well. Maybe more so than in other hobbies)

I’ve made some good friends. It’s easy to pick back up with a lot of people. I’m also amazed how relaxed people are about letting others muck about with their expensive collections)

Perhaps it’s a reflection of being a below average player but I’ve never been especially bothered about the points etc but 100% get why some people are.

Events like the UK open aren’t really the highlight of the scene for me. It was amazingly well run but way too intense for my personal tastes. Paying for multiple entries isn’t really for me as I don’t have the ability or the killer instinct. I think I bought another £10 worth to kill some time at the end of the day but then didn’t use some of it. I suspect others sunk several hundred pounds into buying multiple cards.

I also prefer a single day over weekend events as it allows me to do other things. Heck, I find it hard enough to commit to turning up to 4-5 events a year for the UK league. I think in the last few years I’ve averaged about 3 a year.

In retrospect the best times for me were probably the London league days at Pipeline. East to get too, relaxed atmosphere but still 40+ people I got to know very well (thanks Matt and Justin. 👍). A pretty perfect mix of beer and pinball.

It’s healthy that different people take different things away from a hobby. Long May it continue.
 
Events like the UK open aren’t really the highlight of the scene for me. It was amazingly well run but way too intense for my personal tastes. Paying for multiple entries isn’t really for me as I don’t have the ability or the killer instinct. I think I bought another £10 worth to kill some time at the end of the day but then didn’t use some of it. I suspect others sunk several hundred pounds into buying multiple cards.

I also prefer a single day over weekend events as it allows me to do other things. Heck, I find it hard enough to commit to turning up to 4-5 events a year for the UK league. I think in the last few years I’ve averaged about 3 a year.

In retrospect the best times for me were probably the London league days at Pipeline. East to get too, relaxed atmosphere but still 40+ people I got to know very well (thanks Matt and Justin. 👍). A pretty perfect mix of beer and pinball.
That’s why I’ve enjoy events like London & SE League, as well as the UK Open :) I’ve really enjoyed being able to visit people’s homes as part of league to experience their collections, and had the pleasure of returning the favour by hosting this year (I spent most of a day beforehand baking! 🫢)

However, being competitive, I also enjoyed the intensity and excitement of the first two days of the UK Open, with the excellent international players and trying to get the best ticket possible.

So… horses for courses. As I’ve argued to Neil in the past, both types of event need to be out there :)
 
What a great thread, couldn’t agree more with everything written here.

My first brush with competitive pinball was the midlands league a few years ago (4?, 5?,6? Maybe 7?). I had been to shows before that but not really chatted to anyone, and didn’t enter the comps as “they’re for the good players, no way I can enter them. “

Plucked up the courage to go to a midlands league meet, so trotted off to a complete strangers house in the middle of nowhere, played some pinball, had some food, met a load of people and had a great afternoon. I genuinely have no idea how well or badly I did compared to others that day, because although it is competitive it’s also doesn’t feel at all competitive, just really friendly and welcoming.

Following on from that my first event would probably have been at SWL, which again was daunting having never been there, but again met more great people who are now great friends.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you love pinball, go to the nearest league meet, you’ll have a great afternoon and will almost certainly want to come to other pinball comps afterwards.

If you think you’re not ready yet, you’re wrong, everyone is ready no matter how good or bad. No one is going to judge you and I guarantee you will be made to feel welcome.

And with the new league season starting soon, there’s never been a better time to dip your toe in.
 
Excellent post Jmac. It's been great seeing you enjoying it at a few comps this year.

A couple of years ago I had my first real flips solo at EC and Tilt while I was in the area for a week. When I got home, I looked to see what other places I had more locally, and found PBR was having a best game tournament (for the rebrand from Flip Out, I think), and decided to rock up.

I was nervous, but Matt got me set up with the rules and a sheet, and I went to find David, who'd reached out to me on the forum after I'd introduced myself. By the end of the evening I'd had fun, been convinced to come to Pinfest that year, and kicked off three new friendships. Since then my love for both the competitive and social side (ideally, both at the same time, like Pinhaus Max Matchplay!) of pinball has only grown. And I've since got to know and make friends with many dozens more people through events.

If you're on the fence, get involved! Give it a go. If you don't gel with it, no harm done. But if you do, it might really spark something you love.
 
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