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No Longer Available Game Of Thrones Pro

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I thought I would try this one on here first, but I expect this one will need to be eBay sale as I need to see if I can get my money back.
So before I get shot down for the price let me just explain why I am going to be asking £6k
I spent 2 years looking for one as many will know with my wanted adds and sending people messages, the only person that had one for sale was Williams Amusements, so I ended up doing a deal with him, he had it up for sale at £6500.
I got it a tiny bit cheaper as it had 2 lines out on the display.
I have fitted a new display, done a nice powder coating job, white silicone rubbers, new balls, rebuilt flippers.
That's all it needed to get it perfect, it had 2 previous owners and you can still find the old sale post on here.
Collection Shrewsbury £6k, not going to take offers at this point as will try eBay in a few weeks and at £6k that's still a loss as I must of spent around £500 on this one.
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Looks nice! How comes you are selling after searching for so long? I had one and it’s a great game.
 
robertlucas1970 said:
I have changed the room round a lot, I want to focus more on the home cinema and music.
This is the last pinball I have, I sold the other 3 just to fund a £20k piano :)
But it sounds amazing and have it playing every day.
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That sounds really good!

Good luck with the sale, there are not loads around and it is a good game!
 
Good luck with the sale, I think you're really going to need it.

I know the current market seems bouyant for classics Bally Wiliams and LCD sterns but that doesn't seem to have flowed through to the modern non LCD Sterns.

It is a lovely machine, I should know as it was my actual machine that I sold to Williams for £4,500 a year and half ago. It had gold powder coating which I thought fitted the look of the machine and matched the T moulding but I do really like the red you changed it to, so much so that I tried to copy it for my Godzilla but ended up with an orange as the powder coater could not get hold of the same red as yours.

I appreciate you want to get back what you paid for it but that was from a dealer with the asociated premium and you, yourself refused to pay more than £4k for the very same machine from me 2 years ago.

Best of luck, you might get some good interest on FB/Ebay as there seemed to bit litte love for the game on the forum a couple of years ago.
 
I don't want to derail the thread or go too far off topic.

But, saying that, a machine is worth what people will pay for it and what the market decides, not necessarily what you paid for it (which appears to be contradicted by the previous vendor here). If you overpaid that's unfortunate, but surely shouldn't mean that someone else then has to foot your bill.

It appears that you know it is overpriced at 6k, and hope that you'll be able to sell it in eBay to someone who doesn't know its true value.

People complain about rising prices, but still see machines as an investment and that they shouldn't lose money, even if they overpaid in the first place. 🤔
 
Prices here are cheapest generally than anywhere else in uk. what is a fair price? anything lower than HLD and liberty games? there is no fixed value for a fair price for a given machine at a given time, why? because it also depends on the buyers view. one buyer may feel £6k is fair another may feel the fair price is £7k and another may only see ut at £4k, its soooooooo subjective. if a true GOT fan wants this pin he/she might feel that’s a fair price. the price the seller originally paid and mods ££’s put into a machine is irrelevant to all but himself. he should have just put the asking price and not tried to justify it.

I have done a ton of work on studying pinball prices. going over old sales threads, old retail prices, looking at refurbishment costs etc etc. there is no way you can compute a single price for any given machine at any point in time. that’s the conclusion i have come to. all you can do is current market comparables. just like estate agents do - and we all have a dim view of that profession 😂😂
 
AlanJ said:
Prices here are cheapest generally than anywhere else in uk. what is a fair price? anything lower than HLD and liberty games? there is no fixed value for a fair price for a given machine at a given time, why? because it also depends on the buyers view. one buyer may feel £6k is fair another may feel the fair price is £7k and another may only see ut at £4k, its soooooooo subjective. if a true GOT fan wants this pin he/she might feel that’s a fair price. the price the seller originally paid and mods ££’s put into a machine is irrelevant to all but himself. he should have just put the asking price and not tried to justify it.

I have done a ton of work on studying pinball prices. going over old sales threads, old retail prices, looking at refurbishment costs etc etc. there is no way you can compute a single price for any given machine at any point in time. that’s the conclusion i have come to. all you can do is current market comparables. just like estate agents do - and we all have a dim view of that profession 😂😂
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I've often wondered about this. It seems on the forum people tend to sell pins for basically what they originally paid another forum member for the pin (likely adding on the cost of any significant mods/what they've spent on it, depending if they want/need a quick sale).
What is the etiquette though, when say some time has passed and the market value (outside of the forum) has gone up for whatever reason? If someone bought a pin via the forum 5 years ago for say £2k, but since there have been completed sales of the same title for £5k outside of the forum, but none have recently sold on the forum, should we be offering up the pin for what we originally paid for it? ; or going by the most recent price sold outside of the forum? (I'd imagine the answer is somewhere in there middle, factoring in for example generally inflated Ebay prices)

As you say, something is only worth how much someone is willing to pay/how much they want it. There's also of course the factor of the seller's reason for selling; if they want to sell it for £XXXX to fund the purchase of something else without wanting to add money on top, then it's worth it to them selling at £XXXX, any less then they'd rather hold on to their pin.
 
Look the general feeling/consensus on here is that hld/liberty charge too much for games but most will agree that they are a business so can sort of see why they charge more as have higher overheads etc. Truth be told we here on the forum aren’t their primary target market. This game was also bought from a retail business and was priced as such. It was on here for quite a while at 4.5k before John at Williams bought it with no takers on here as one had sold by Steve P not that long before for considerably less - granted it wasn’t as nice condition wise.

I’ve read countless comments on here along the lines of ‘Person X is going to get a shock when selling it as it was overpriced’ Why is this different because an established member decided it was worth it to them to overpay. Fact is pins are generally worth less on here than what a retail business would sell it for and rightly so as individual sellers.

The fact that John went to the bother of making his first public post EVER on here to correct what he sold it for as a retail price less than it’s on for says it all
 
I’m new to the pinball world but I have noticed a trend (not necessarily just on here) to expect to sell for what the vendor originally paid if not for a profit.

I have more experience with arcade cabs and If I were to sell some (which I may well do shortly) I don’t expect to sell for a profit.
I’ve recently sold 2 outrun pcb stacks and made a loss on both but sold them for mean of the valuation thread comments and agreed that to be a fair price.

I personally buy things to enjoy and any loss of value I see as the price I’m willing to pay to own, play and enjoy it until I pass it on to the next custodian.
 
I totally agree that this is optimistically priced, but in fairness to the OP he does kind of allude to that in the ad, it reads more like a courtesy offering on the forum before going to ebay.
It doesn't seem like after the new display and fancy powder coating he will be making much/any profit, so its not like a cynical flip scenario.
 
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I played GOT in New York , couldn't find the love or 6k for such a machine, Rob's a good guy and GLWS.
 
Den - aka Wolfgang said:
I've often wondered about this. It seems on the forum people tend to sell pins for basically what they originally paid another forum member for the pin (likely adding on the cost of any significant mods/what they've spent on it, depending if they want/need a quick sale).
What is the etiquette though, when say some time has passed and the market value (outside of the forum) has gone up for whatever reason? If someone bought a pin via the forum 5 years ago for say £2k, but since there have been completed sales of the same title for £5k outside of the forum, but none have recently sold on the forum, should we be offering up the pin for what we originally paid for it? ; or going by the most recent price sold outside of the forum? (I'd imagine the answer is somewhere in there middle, factoring in for example generally inflated Ebay prices)

As you say, something is only worth how much someone is willing to pay/how much they want it. There's also of course the factor of the seller's reason for selling; if they want to sell it for £XXXX to fund the purchase of something else without wanting to add money on top, then it's worth it to them selling at £XXXX, any less then they'd rather hold on to their pin.
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I don't think there is a set etiquette. If I buy a NIB and keep it for a year or two I expect to lose a bit of money on it. If I buy something from the forum for £5k and want to sell it later and all the equivalent machines have been selling on the forum for £6k (likely because NIB prices have gone up by that amount too) I'm probably unlikely to sell it for the £5k that I bought it for. I would ignore higher sale prices outside the forum though.

Pro's were selling on the forum for £5500 ish when I joined but a NIB pro was £6795. NIB pros are now £7395-7495 and recent pros on the forum have sold for between £6000-6800 depending on the title and mods. I don't expect someone who bought a modern pro for £5500 on the forum to sell it for £5500 if the last one sold in minutes at £6500 for example. Occasionally some people will do that but most people will just see what recent machines sold for and base it on that.

Older machines are harder to price I think as condition can vary a lot more than something modern but ultimately I don't expect someone to just sell at what they bought for if recent sales show the market thinks its worth more. I don't think anyone here is buying as an investment but if what they want to buy has gone up £600 and recent sales show their machine has gone up a similar amount, I think its still fair to ask the market price.

Just my opinion, others have been around longer and may think differently
 
I will go straight to eBay with this one, last time I did that lots of members were moaning that I didn't offer it to the community first.

And now people are still moaning, I am not trying to flip this game, I expect it owes me £6200

I was happy to pay the high asking price so I expect another Game of Thrones fan would also be happy with a mint game.
 
Guys we need to take into account that it was bought at £5.5k and £500 was spent adding cosmetics and a new display. It's hard sometimes to add value to a pin and make a return.

Whilst I realise at first glance this looks overpriced. Consider not everyone wants to take a loss just to make a sale while others sell pins, do nothing to them and flog for profit.

We as a community need to assess and comment accordingly or we could just end up chasing all sales away to Facebook and eBay...
 
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Awkward 😬😬
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Why is it Awkward ?
I paid £5.5 cash deal with no receipt or paperwork.
It was listed at £6.5 on the website.

I then got a new display, the metallic rootbeer powder coat was £280, £120 on a shaker, WiFi speaker lights, and after checking my paperwork I did close to £200 with pinball mania on all the other bits.

I can see why people don't sell on the group anymore, look how many go to Williams, Liberty Games or eBay.
I can still see pictures of my old games which I sold to members now on these retail sites for double.
I will not sell another game on here, not worth all this drama.
 
If you bought a pin off here cheaper than market rate at the time you bought it, then it's nice to offer it back to the community at a similar discount to the current market value. Make an adjustment for any value additions you have made.

let me give you a real life example that I am pondering on selling soon.

I bought a working Bally Elektra from a forum member here about a year ago. it was £1k. The going rate on ebay at the time was (I estimate) £1250. So, yes, I got a benefit from being a member here (20% discount to be precise).

Ive upgraded the Elektra to Led displays, Ive bought pinball pimp stencils and primer/paint/clearcoat, and filler and sanding materials etc. to re-do the cab, then there are new coil end stops to fix the sticky flippers and new coin door bolt set, new lock and a few other bits and piece that all add to make it a much better machine. it now stands me at £1600 spent. Plus about 50 hours of labour.

What's it worth?- A similar one with a nice cab sold a few months ago on ebay for £2,550. Mine is (or soon will be) better than that.

I bought it on the forum it at a 20% discount to market rate, so I feel a fair sales price is £1950 here (that's a 25% discount actually). Outside the forum £2550. I already have a buyer (almost) lined up at £2,750 - desperate for an Elektra, can't find one anywhere and is pleased to pay for one that is in much better shape than you'd normally find.

I don't really care too much about the money, I do it for the love. But I don't want to sell stuff too cheap, otherwise it just gets flipped by someone else who profits from my free labour efforts. It will be offered here first at £1950. No takers then I'll take it elsewhere.

If we were in a flat market then i'd be pricing it cheaper, but prices have risen strongly in the last year.
 
The awkward bit is this:

"the only person that had one for sale was Williams Amusements, so I ended up doing a deal with him, he had it up for sale at £6500.
I got it a tiny bit cheaper as it had 2 lines out on the display"

It's awkward because you've implied you got it for not much less than £6500, rather than £5500. I think if you'd simply said how much you paid for it and listed the additional upgrades there wouldn't have been any issue. But now the seller you bought it from has had to justify himself having been named as selling it for £1000 more than he did. It's definitely pretty awkward.
 
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