E M Pinball 1966 Wild Wheels trouble starting.

[MetalMicky]

Hi

I am having trouble starting this machine. I have replaced the Startup Coil and a few others but nothing seems to help. I have replace to all the fuses to their correct values and I press the button and it starts and stops then pressing it again it starts for longer and then completely dies although it still has power going through it as some of the coils will work if pressed so i am at a loss to understand why it wont start. Another thing if i manually spin the score reels they will trundle back to zero after 2 or 3 pushes so it feels like there is something just stopping play. Also the flippers and the paly field does not have power except the lights all switch on when i press the button then all go out again.Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

[JT.]

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[AlanJ]

The game needs to reset properly in order to start a game. generally on EMs this involves the score motor in the bottom of the cab rotating round to reset everything: both players scores to zeros, resetting the player up counter, zero any bonus stepper counters etc. usually it’s a switch on the score reels or one of those other bonus counters that isn’t closing ( or opening).

Really need a schematic of the game to see what switches it looks at during it’s reset cycle. have to got the schematics?

 

[MetalMicky]

It seems you are also having trouble with operating pinball info's bold-text feature, making this post horrible to read

You might want to edit this and un-bold it all.

Sorry about that i just used the text that came up when i typed it.

 

[MetalMicky]

Yes i have but its not a great copy very faint in places and some missing in parts but most of it is there but i am not very knowledgeable about schematics and find it very hard to follow

 

[MetalMicky]

It seems you are also having trouble with operating pinball info's bold-text feature, making this post horrible to read

You might want to edit this and un-bold it all.

Sorry about that i just used the text that came up i didnt make it bold.

 

[AlanJ]

Yes i have but its not a great copy very faint in places and some missing in parts but most of it is there but i am not very knowledgeable about schematics and find it very hard to follow

can you post a pdf or good pictures of it

 

[MetalMicky]

can you post a pdf or good pictures of it

Yes i will try as its about 4 ft long but i will take some photos and see how they come out Many Thanks

 

[MetalMicky]

Yes i will try as its about 4 ft long but i will take some photos and see how they come out Many Thanks

Hope these are ok Please note i have done the 8th one again as it wasnt very clear and this appears at the end Thanks

 

[MetalMicky]

Hope these are ok Please note the first 8 and the very last one are the top half of the schematic and the rest are the bottom half Many Thanks

 

[AlanJ]

I can’t read those pics unfortunately. you are looking for the part of the circuit that resets the game. it will be easy enough to find as will have a whole lot of switches on the score reels as it needs to detect when they have all reset to zero.

 

[MetalMicky]

Hi

Many thanks for trying i thought after they uploaded that you would have difficulty so i enhanced the bottom of the schematic still very faint in places Is it possible to indicate which picture has the area i should be concentrating on as i am a complete novice when it comes to schematics. many Thanks for your help

 

[AlanJ]

I’m really sorry but i just can’t read them.

 

[MetalMicky]

Ok Thankyou anyway for looking

 

[astyy]

Worth posting on the Pinside EM Tech forum too, a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful EM heads frequent it

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[MetalMicky]

Worth posting on the Pinside EM Tech forum too, a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful EM heads frequent it

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Thanks will try

 

[carl lawrence]

Can not really comment as I still have not got my surf side up and running yet after 2+ years ,I just don’t have the Time . The only thing I can suggest is to strip all the relays down and clean , I have personally found some incorrect parts fitted to the coil relays and springs missing ,mine is a none runner when I bought it though !

 

[MetalMicky]

Thats my problem she was working fine last time she was used but she has been stored for 15 years which i know is not a good thing to do with these machines but i have cleaned everything i can but i am starting to think there is just a setting wrong on startup but being a novice i have trouble reading the schematics but as you say they are very time consuming i might resort to one of these travelling EM machine repairers but that wont be cheap.

 

[carl lawrence]

Some where on the diagram will be a key code for the wire’s etc also it’s will tell you which switches should be open or closed on start up , as mine is a gottlieb my diagram looks completely different , there is a few people on here which can help but I can’t remember who they are to be fair