Anyone got a breakshot they want to get rid of?
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Wanted Capcom breakshot
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Only one I have heard of in UK was,IIRC James's oen he did up a year or so.
Not gonna be an easy find - easier than Airborne tho - don't think I have ever seen one to play or for sale in about 14years in the hobby
Not gonna be an easy find - easier than Airborne tho - don't think I have ever seen one to play or for sale in about 14years in the hobby
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I will also take a flipper football! ;-)
There was that one and I can remember seeing a really beat up one that PhilAt PH sold around 8 years ago so there's a nice one and a rough one out there somewhere.
Breakshot: I'm sure I've seen the odd one or two on ebay over the years... It's a decent game. 
Airbourne: played it a few times aboard, on a few occasions. Fairly decent game but nothing special (excpet it's by Capcom and could be used as a doner game for creating another BBB
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Flipper football: Again seen the odd one or two on ebay over the years. Leaves a lot to be desired probably gives GI a run for it's money.
Airbourne: played it a few times aboard, on a few occasions. Fairly decent game but nothing special (excpet it's by Capcom and could be used as a doner game for creating another BBB
).Flipper football: Again seen the odd one or two on ebay over the years. Leaves a lot to be desired probably gives GI a run for it's money.
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Me and Rav had a beautiful brakeshot for a while, they are super rare though best bet is to look abroad dude
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Was it any good? I am planning on breaking it for spares, specifically the CPU board same as in Big Bang.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Don't do it.
It's on my want list. One less in the world would be tragic.
Why would you want to break up a game for spares ???????????
Madness.
If you want Capcom boards then look first before you commit murder.
Try PSPA. Mark had a great collection of Capcom boards for sale.
http://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/boards/capcom.html
Madness.
If you want Capcom boards then look first before you commit murder.
Try PSPA. Mark had a great collection of Capcom boards for sale.
http://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/boards/capcom.html
Unless its been sat in water then theres absolutely no need to break up a machine.
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Lol, murder!
I have all the boards in BBB apart from the one board that has stopped Gene from making Kingpin. The CPU board on the back of the DMD. Gene used them all to make BBB. Only ones left are in either BBB or Breakshot, Airborne, Flipper football.
I'm not going to break it straight away, as nothing at all wrong with BBB.
Breakshot is the cheapest of them all
I have all the boards in BBB apart from the one board that has stopped Gene from making Kingpin. The CPU board on the back of the DMD. Gene used them all to make BBB. Only ones left are in either BBB or Breakshot, Airborne, Flipper football.
I'm not going to break it straight away, as nothing at all wrong with BBB.
Breakshot is the cheapest of them all
Don't do it Dave! 
Surely there must be another way. Is it possible to get somebody to make the board? There must be a company out there somewhere that could replicate it. Would be pricey probably but surely cheaper than buying a whole Breakshot. (And far less criminal than breaking up a great game!)
Surely there must be another way. Is it possible to get somebody to make the board? There must be a company out there somewhere that could replicate it. Would be pricey probably but surely cheaper than buying a whole Breakshot. (And far less criminal than breaking up a great game!)
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Gene spent $1000s to try and replicate a chip on the board and couldn't. The only way to get another chip is to buy another board in another game.
Try getting hold of Homepin in Australia, if anyone can help getting a board made he can.
This can't be a serious thread? You can't break up a really rare game just for a CPU board
Instead if you get me a Breakshot I will personally re-design the Capcom CPU board for you
Instead if you get me a Breakshot I will personally re-design the Capcom CPU board for you
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It's the CHIP in the board! If IPB couldn't do it paying a professional company I don't think I have much chance!
Dave do you have a link to any backstory / information on this ?
You do have to wonder about this though. I mean, it's just come out that a lot of things he said were in fact a load of ********. So you never know!
Anything can be copied and with people in the know and the speed technology is moving then nothing is impossible to remake.
Great offer from @lukewells so take him up on it.
Great offer from @lukewells so take him up on it.
This exactly what I was thinking. It must be possible, surely.
Ok I have done some googling and (please correct me if I am wrong) it appears to be the Actel A1020 that you are referring to?
So firstly, this is not a custom chip! It is an off the shelf FPGA (basically a programmable logic chip and yes you can still buy them (blank)
The problem appears to be that we don't have the code that needs to be programmed onto the chip to make it function as required for the Capcom CPU board (it appears to be related to shifting data from the RAM to the DMD display)
Now the interesting thing is, it is only a 2,000 gate device (that basically means that by modern standard it is incredibly low complexity (your average modern FGPA would be 500,000 to 2,000,000 gates)
Now while I personally have never reverse engineered an FPGA, if I invested a significant amount of time, I'd say I could probably pick it up. However, there are hobbyists on youtube that I have seen reverse engineer far more complex CPLDs and FPGA's "Just for fun"
So from what I have found out in half an hour of googling, I am going to have to call bullsh1t that anyone has spent thousands on un-successfully re-producing this chip. There absolutely are companies that you could pay to do this on a professional level and like I say there are youtube video producers that are even capable of cracking a device of this complexity.
Worst case scenario, you would look at it it from a system point of view (i.e. work out what signals the CPU is outputting to the FPGA to tell it to perform actions, and look at the signals that the DMD is getting out of the FPGA and you would just start again and design an alternative from scratch as a "black box" approach (i.e. you know what the inputs need to be and you know what the outputs need to be - you design the functional block that fits the middle and converts your inputs to the desired outputs) again I can absolutely guarantee you that there are companies and people out there that can do this.
Back in the 1980's - 1990's we had bootleggers that were able to take popular arcade videogames and only days later they were able to reproduce the entire PCB including CPLD or discrete logic replacements for all the custom chips, sometimes without even having the modify the game code one single bit.
If there was enough demand for this IC to be reverse engineered (have we even got any reports of them failing?) then someone would reproduce it. I'd be surprised if you couldn't pay someone the same amount it would cost you to buy a Breakshot to actually design a new FPGA implementation for you
So firstly, this is not a custom chip! It is an off the shelf FPGA (basically a programmable logic chip and yes you can still buy them (blank)
The problem appears to be that we don't have the code that needs to be programmed onto the chip to make it function as required for the Capcom CPU board (it appears to be related to shifting data from the RAM to the DMD display)
Now the interesting thing is, it is only a 2,000 gate device (that basically means that by modern standard it is incredibly low complexity (your average modern FGPA would be 500,000 to 2,000,000 gates)
Now while I personally have never reverse engineered an FPGA, if I invested a significant amount of time, I'd say I could probably pick it up. However, there are hobbyists on youtube that I have seen reverse engineer far more complex CPLDs and FPGA's "Just for fun"
So from what I have found out in half an hour of googling, I am going to have to call bullsh1t that anyone has spent thousands on un-successfully re-producing this chip. There absolutely are companies that you could pay to do this on a professional level and like I say there are youtube video producers that are even capable of cracking a device of this complexity.
Worst case scenario, you would look at it it from a system point of view (i.e. work out what signals the CPU is outputting to the FPGA to tell it to perform actions, and look at the signals that the DMD is getting out of the FPGA and you would just start again and design an alternative from scratch as a "black box" approach (i.e. you know what the inputs need to be and you know what the outputs need to be - you design the functional block that fits the middle and converts your inputs to the desired outputs) again I can absolutely guarantee you that there are companies and people out there that can do this.
Back in the 1980's - 1990's we had bootleggers that were able to take popular arcade videogames and only days later they were able to reproduce the entire PCB including CPLD or discrete logic replacements for all the custom chips, sometimes without even having the modify the game code one single bit.
If there was enough demand for this IC to be reverse engineered (have we even got any reports of them failing?) then someone would reproduce it. I'd be surprised if you couldn't pay someone the same amount it would cost you to buy a Breakshot to actually design a new FPGA implementation for you
There you go again Luke. Taking the words right outta my mouth
Erm, I might know some hardware hackers who would take a look.
I do know a lot of hardware/Software/System security professionals, one of whom did a portion of his master degree on PacMan. Happy to help save a machine.
I might know some hardware hackers who would take a look. I do know a lot of hardware/Software/System security professionals, one of whom did a portion of his master degree on PacMan. Happy to help save a machine.
Great how far we have come with this and maybe able to replicate what's needed, if it saves a machine from being broken then that's a good thing.
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What? You have actually scored a Breakshot already?
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Yep, coming from overseas when I sort the shipping out
Found it!
Will let the seller know your intentions towards the Breakshot, let's hope he won't let you kill it.
Seriously wait for the part being replicated and let the Breakshot have a long life.
Will let the seller know your intentions towards the Breakshot, let's hope he won't let you kill it.
Seriously wait for the part being replicated and let the Breakshot have a long life.
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This is ridiculous!
Yes €25,000 euros!
Could pick up an original for that! It doesn't have a manual with it!
Yes €25,000 euros!
Could pick up an original for that! It doesn't have a manual with it!
