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Utterly OT: What's it like living where you do?

johnwhitfield

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Partly inspired by Dean’s badger thread and partly by Dan’s travel stories I was thinking that I really don’t know that much about what it would be like to live in different parts of the UK. I’ve probably been to Paris more times than Manchester, only been to Edinburgh twice and have never been to Northern Ireland. What’s it like in those places?

I’ve lived in London now for 25 years and really can’t ever see me moving out but I'd be intrigued to know what it's like in other parts of the UK. I'm guessing you've all been in London at some time but for those of you who have never lived here below is a very rough guide to what it’s like to be a pinhead in the capital

1) You NEVER get to go around to your fellow pinhead houses for a quick game session. Fancy popping over to dodgy Dr Dan’s to play his MB? He’s only 15 miles away. Right that’s a short 2 hour drive each way. I’ve only ever made it there once. Whenever I sell games to out of towners they inform me that their sat nav tells them that they can get from the bottom of the M1 to my house in 30 mins. When they eventually turn up it looks like they’ve been wondering in the wilderness for 40 days and nights. It will have taken them less time to get from Yorkshire down to the M25 than it did to navigate the Old Kent Road on a Friday night.

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2) Martin HATES delivering to here. Can’t think why. I view it as an exciting contest much like the Krypton Factor. He has to successfully avoid the congestion charge zone, find his way around the one way system, squeeze through the road barriers (OT: note the electric charge points that are everywhere around here) before using his God like skills of Tetris to get machines through the doorway of hell (2mm clearance on the sides of the backbox, stupid small step down, set on an angle and a wall to the left). Before getting to carry it over the kitchen floor. It used to be worse as the door had to come off its hinges and the machines lifted up and over the worktop. I can’t imagine how much easier it must be in a non terrace house. This is also after he’s somehow found somewhere to park.

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3) Strange things happen a couple of roads away from you. We’re no longer worried about stabbings on the buses. It’s moved to a different level

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4) There are green bits in London. You just need to improvise a bit. Nothing says a wholesome upbringing like taking the kids to the local graveyard in order to see trees.




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Other views can be pretty good though. You can see the Shard, London Eye and the Houses of Parliament in the distance from my son’s room (very crap night photo below) whereas my daughter gets to look over Canary Wharf.



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5) Retro play equipment from the early 70s can still be discovered in some of the local estates. (I actually got very excited when I saw these as it brought back lots of childhood memories. Sadly I couldn’t wedge my bit fat **** into the planet roundabout thing)

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6) Never underestimate how expensive it is just to live day to day here. I get a London weighting for my job (which I appreciate). However, it works out at around £20 a week which goes virtually no where. We had friends from Somerset here just before Christmas who couldn’t believe we had to pay £80 for a tree if I wanted to source one locally as they picked up a bigger tree for £25. I thought it was a bargain compared to the other ones in the local area
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Beer. The £5 pint is pretty common now. I don’t even flinch when I see it. My closest pub to work (in Mile End) is now £5.80. Almost everyone pays by card if you get a round in. The student pub near us not only takes contactless payment (which seems very dangerous) but you can order online and they bring the drinks over to the table.

You have to be careful who you let stay over. It kicks off with a casual reference about how expensive London hotels are and how your friends really appreciate it that they can stay with you and before you know it you’re running an unpaid B&B for 50 weekends of the year.

7) All those pretentious food places you hear about are actually real. The cereal café in Shoreditch is always busy.


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Pop up restaurants are everywhere (which is a good thing). Rhubarb on a pizza is still very very wrong in my mind. (although apparently I’m meant to be a philistine about this).


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Our local multi-story car park is now promoted as a cool open air bar with a panoramic view. (It still looks suspiciously like a crap scout fete to me but at least the car park now smells slightly less of urine than before, possible because no one can afford the £6 beer prices)


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We’ve got an organic Hungarian restaurant at the bottom of the road, presumably a normal Hungarian restaurant isn’t specialised enough. Another thing about London is that increasingly a lot of the restaurants don’t have signs in English which adds to the mystery factor.



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8) Schools are sandwiched in. Forget those ideas of large playing fields. The one I teach at is luckily enough to have a 5 a side football pitch. It’s on the roof.
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It’s also overlooked by a range of towerblocks. We have fixed windows that can’t open and a passive aircon system that doesn’t actually work. In the summer it really is like being in a sauna. In September we had a small fire in the canteen and it took weeks for the smell of smoke to leave the classrooms upstairs as there was no way to circulate the air around.


As well as firedrills London schools now have to regularly practice evacuations in preparation for terrorist attacks. My son’s school had the idea of getting all the students to assemble in the enclosed tennis courts which didn’t seem like the best idea to me…..

Diversity in schools might not be quite as diverse as the name suggest. Depending on where you are in London the intake is widely different. Having two white British parents puts my kids in a very small minority in their schools. Different boroughs though can have a totally different make up of kids.



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I get invited to a LOT of Asian weddings as a result of my job. Things I’ve learnt. i) Never turn up on time. A 18:00 start means the bride might arrive by 21:00 if you are lucky. ii) It will be dry. I know it shouldn’t have come as a surprise but for some reason it did the first time I went. iii) They will be segregated. As the only people I know at them are all female (ex students) it means I’m going to be stuck in a room with strange men I’ve never met and I’ll be the only one without a beard and with long hair. Conversation doesn’t tend to flow naturally in this situation


9) Those plans to convert the kids bedrooms into games rooms is NEVER going to happen. They are NEVER EVER going to be able to leave home. I live in a cheap part of the capital but still there is absolutely no chance that they will be able to buy anything around here. Don’t forget even if they can afford the mortgage payments they would need £50k+ for a deposit and £20k+ for stamp duty. Where the hell is that going to come from? OK, I’m guessing there’s going to be a big cull of games here when the time comes in order to help pay for some of it. It’s either that or both of them and their partners are going to end up living here with us.

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Maybe renting is the answer…… or maybe not. This flat was described as being ideal for Students. Assuming students have 10 grand a year to spend on a room in a shared house after their 9k+ tuition fees.


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Nursery fees. Dear God please don’t let them make me a granddad too soon. £1600 a month – gulp. There’s also normally a £2 a min late fee per child. When my kids were young I got stuck on the tube once and arrived 20 mins late, so £80 went. If there are two grandkids in the future then I’d be better off giving up work and babysitting all day


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Tourists. OMG. You can spot someone who has never been to London before a mile off. Why would you try to talk to someone on the tube? Random conversations about the weather etc. Sorry no time for that crap. I’ve lived in this house for 15 years and only know the name of one of my immediate neighbours. I’ve never been into any of the flats either side of me.

Yes we have moving pavements at Waterloo. No you do still need to walk when you are on them you lazy bastards. Don’t look surprised at the tube barriers and then start digging around for your oyster card, how did that comes as a surprise to you??? (I’ve always assumed these are the same people who queue in supermarkets and don’t get their cards out until the very last moment)
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So what’s it like living in the rest of the UK? What’s good. What’s bad? How on earth do you cope without a decent pubic transport system? I didn’t even own a car until I was 33 and still barely use it.
 

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Great read John. Very funny.

Could be worse. You could live in Ipswich!! What a **** hole.

My bro lived in Docklands, Clapham, then East Dulwich and has now pushed out to Petts Wood. Visiting him was enough of my fill of the place. I also work in some boroughs occasionally and as much as I like visiting London, that's enough for me.

Personally I'm looking to get out in the sticks but my wife is a towny and likes the convenience.
 
I made the move out of London just under a year ago having lived there for nearly 12 years, I suspect we were not alone in simply not being able to afford to move on any father than we'd got in London, we were renting up near Camden and it was a cool place to live and I did enjoy my time in London I don't miss much about it.

I do miss some of the convenience of everything being just there, and there are way more pins to play than there are here (I know there aren't that many on site in London, but there are some!)
Miss the SE league/London league meets too!
I went to the welsh pinball meet at the weekend, not done any of the SW league meets yet though.

Now living in a fairly rural part of the Cotswolds, up a massive hill along a narrow road with no parking at all

1. People - we got to know out neighbours better in 3 weeks of living here than I ever knew any neighbour in London -nip down the pub for a pint etc., people are also generally more relaxed and more patient than I found in London

2. Doing nearly anything requires a degree of planning - and 95% of the time driving, I had a car in London which probably did 50 miles a month, I can easily rack that up in a day here.
You can't just nip down the shop to get a missing a vital ingredient for dinner, the local supermarket is 5 miles away

3. There is more going on than meets the eye, but on a smaller scale than you'd find in a city, so you need to be prepared to travel to do things you want (but you do get to see lots of new places)

4. Farmers markets, with actual farmers selling local products for a decent price, unlike the farmers markets of London where it seems to be massively expensive (I liked Borough market, but everything was about £9!)

5. Don't have kids myself yet (although that will probably change - part of the moving out plan) but the schools are a mixed bunch, the local primary is very much the old style village school - couple of hundred pupils all from the village/area most who walk there. The secondary/colleges are larger, and some are very good, some not so much

6. Green space - we have this! Lots of it, so you like the idea of spending a whole day walking through countryside to a pub having luncg and then walking back then there is always that to do

7. We're close to Bristol (45mins) Bath (40mins) B'Ham is about 1hr on the train, and London is about 1:20 so it's not like you can't go to the cities

8. Houses are cheaper, and rent is cheaper (200-300K will buy a nice house where we are, 3-4 bed etc, but smaller ones 1-2bed are sub 200K) or 750-900 PCM to rent something 2-3 bed with a garden

9. It is possible to commute to London for work, but (as my wife discovered) it's ******** expensive (like 10K a year expensive) and that only gets you to Paddington, then you have to do the London commute too - she hung on for 8 months, but has now gone freelance ( :) )

10. Wages are generally lower than London, I'm still employed there but now work 90% remotely (which has pros and cons of its own) but if I move jobs I'd be expecting a small pay drop.

11. XMas trees are £20 ;)

12. We have a brewery, just down the road - £3.80 a pint and lots of good country pubs £3.50 - 4.50 a pint

Getting a pin in my house is proving to be the worlds biggest pain in the **** though - I'm in a cottage, which is low celings, with bendy staircases.......
I am looking to buy a machine, but I will need to remove the head for certain and not sure I've got the balls/skill to do it (anyone want to come help me dismantle a Cyclone which I've all but pulled the trigger on, move it up two floors and then reassemble it?! :))
Pay off for this pinball movement difficulty is the view out of my office window
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Not going to write something as long (and entertaining) as Johns.

We live in Leyland which is a town just south of Preston, right on the M6 corridor. Have lived there for 5 years now, nice sized 3 bed semi (extension coming along too) which cost just shy of £120k with all furniture included (sorry John! :rofl:). The area is very quiet, especially as the road we live on is a dead end so don't get any traffic apart from people living or visiting there. There is a council estate fairly close by but it's never been a problem. Local boozer however is utter b0llocks though, never bother going. Theres a great butchers and a chippy though that does the best onion rings on earth :thumbs:

We fell out with our ajoining neighbours not long after we moved in (easily offended types) but its been easier going recently. Other neighbours are sound although i've no idea how they manage with 3 kids in the size of house!

Only time traffic is an issue is during school open & closing times. We live a stones throw from a primary school and you would not believe just how lazy and selfish so many parents are when dropping their kids off. The estate gets blocked up, parents cannot be bothered parking more than 20 yards from the school gates, double park on corners, block your driveways (I have pre-prepared notes for those tw@s too!). Some parents will also drive their kids there when it's literally within a 1 minute drive to get there! However it'll come in handy when Katherine starts school herself, so long as the admission board are not staffed by utter cretins, which it probably is.

Seeing other pin owners is decent, @replicas is only 15 minutes away and several others within 30-45 minute drive. Furthest journey for the northen league is an hour tops.

There's a couple of parks close by for taking Katherine to (she loves seeing the ducks) and being so close to the M6 junction is very handy for getting places. Leyland station has decent links to places like Manchester & Birmingham (vital for those trips to Tilt! :D)
 
I've lived in a fair few places including Stockholm and Dublin. Really love living up North. London equivalent salary with northern living costs equals 4 storey grade II listed 5 bedroom house (7 bedrooms if you count the basement rooms) for less than I've paid for a 1 bedroom apartment in Stockholm. No worries about ever being stabbed. Countryside all around. National Trust membership means we never have nowhere to go. Eldest son has got into our 1st choice school next year (currently in the 3rd best nursery in the UK). The thought of living in London is like some sort of apocalyptic nightmare frankly.
 
I've lived in a fair few places including Stockholm and Dublin. Really love living up North. London equivalent salary with northern living costs equals 4 storey grade II listed 5 bedroom house (7 bedrooms if you count the basement rooms) for less than I've paid for a 1 bedroom apartment in Stockholm. No worries about ever being stabbed. Countryside all around. National Trust membership means we never have nowhere to go. Eldest son has got into our 1st choice school next year (currently in the 3rd best nursery in the UK). The thought of living in London is like some sort of apocalyptic nightmare frankly.

Here here, I've never lived in London but have family that do. London clearly has its benefits, but then again I don't wake up each morning wishing that I could go to a Yugoslavian restaurant.

My millionaire cousin came over from London recently. After lamenting the fact that 'she hadn't got the time for a cat or a dog', she and her partner spent some time gazing out of my window at my garden. They couldn't believe how big it was - the log store, the fire pit, the trees, the quiet etc...

Their house is worth fives times the value of mine.

I like to run the Triumph through the beautiful Shropshire lanes and stop off at a country pub.

Then again, if I want to go and see a musical and eat in a Yugoslavian restaurant I'll need to go to London.

I can't buy a pint of milk at three in the morning either.

I live on the outskirts of Wolverhampton - I like the way that it has a stereotyped image - it keeps the nobheads away ;-)



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Where's the photos guys? I love old houses. Mr Zombie what does your grade II listed place look like? Also how does any nursery get to claim to be the "3rd best in the country". o_O I'm not saying it isn't but how the hell does someone judge that? (Think of the trouble we would have of ranking the 3rd best pin of all time). I can see that you can judge the worst ones in the UK but do the poor little 4 year olds have to fill out some kind of exit interview?

I'm not sure I'm organised enough to live outside of London. Not being able to buy whatever you wanted at 3:30 in the morning would seem weird. When I visit my brother in law in deepest Wales the lack of light and noise at night freaks me out a little. There's always background noise here. I also struggle with both Wales and Cornwall in that you hardly ever see anyone. Everyone travels by car so you don't just see people walking around. My mother in law can't stand it here as she is Cornish through and through. I asked her to take a parcel to our post office once and she came back describing it as being like the united nations. They are like rabbits in a headlight when they visit us.

Chris your view is gorgeous :clap:
 
3rd best nursery in the country is based on annual awards by www.daynurseries.co.uk

Our house is a mid 1800's townhouse. 4 storeys. I have a cinema and office on the top floor and a motion capture and games room down in the basement. The other basement room which functions as a laundry still has the original cast iron Victorian stove. Fab house with loads of space and very high ceilings on every floor but a total nightmare in the winter as all the windows are the original single glazed sash windows which means we have to have the heating on 24hrs a day 6 months of the year.
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Love that fireplace Rob, and I hear you on the heating - we're the same here - we're also grade II listed (circa 1750) so likewise single pained glass and a lot of wood gotten through (although the walls are a foot thick so when it gets warm it's OK)

I'll take a pic of the fireplace - we don't have the original grate, we've got a log burner now (it would have been an open fire), but the stone work is from the built to last school of engineering!
 
I've lived in a fair few places including Stockholm and Dublin. Really love living up North. London equivalent salary with northern living costs equals 4 storey grade II listed 5 bedroom house (7 bedrooms if you count the basement rooms) for less than I've paid for a 1 bedroom apartment in Stockholm. No worries about ever being stabbed. Countryside all around. National Trust membership means we never have nowhere to go. Eldest son has got into our 1st choice school next year (currently in the 3rd best nursery in the UK). The thought of living in London is like some sort of apocalyptic nightmare frankly.
I've just come back from Stockholm. Lovely city and lovely people. Really don't enjoy being back in England right now
 
I am looking to buy a machine, but I will need to remove the head for certain and not sure I've got the balls/skill to do it (anyone want to come help me dismantle a Cyclone which I've all but pulled the trigger on, move it up two floors and then reassemble it?! :))
Pay off for this pinball movement difficulty is the view out of my office window
Ooh, as a fan of Sys11 games and Cyclone I'd be tempted, but it's a non-trivial drive for me (I am in Wolverhampton.)
For fuel costs I'd certainly be willing to help. To be honest the head removal process pretty logical and straightforward, but longwinded and gets muddy if operator hacks/fixes are added in.

I live on the outskirts of Wolverhampton - I like the way that it has a stereotyped image - it keeps the nobheads away ;-)
Hear, hear!
 
I've never seen a live badger. **** loads of dead ones on the roads but never a live one:(
 
I live in Solihull. (Birmingham) 5 minutes walk from land rover and 20 minutes drive from Tilt.

I kinda know a good deal of the local people. Mostly only to say hello.

This is my citadel of sheds. I've got quite a big gate to move pins in. When I get some more.
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Really fascinating to read all that John.

Grimsby is a bit of a s**t hole but at least you can get a fair bit of house for your money.

The £500,000+ you show in your picture for a two bed flat would get you something like this around these neck of the woods.

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Strictly speaking that house isn't in Grimsby but a more 'posh' area known as Humberston which sits between Grimsby and Cleethorpes.

I'd love a house like that but it's not likely to happen as I doubt i'd even want to take out a mortgage for that sort of money.

Big plus for me is that my work is close enough that I can cycle the 9 miles to and fro each day. I still have a car but it's getting little use at the moment.
 
Bloody Hell, a bit bigger than the 2 bed flat. The scary thing about property prices (like pin prices) is that you get used to the insane levels really quickly.

Forgot to say this famous location is 10 mins down the road
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Not sure why they shot the pub scenes in New Cross as the rest of the film was in North London. I never actually ventured in and it's now been converted into flats :(
 
I've just come back from Stockholm. Lovely city and lovely people. Really don't enjoy being back in England right now

We really REALLY loved living in Stockholm for the first 18 months or so. Whenever we were over here visiting relatives in the UK we couldn't wait to get back out there. By the time we left after two and a half years though we would have swam to get out of there. Most ex-pats don't last longer than 3yrs in Sweden. It has many positives and a fantastic work culture but some of the negatives can drive you insane.
 
In Buckley we have the good ol Tivoli,where there's always a few good gigs to see.About 8 pubs,enough take aways,sadly a gazillion hair dressers /beauty places,a bargain booze,subway and an Aldi.Plus a garage and a spar that never shuts.House prices ok,so u can have space for your pins,reasonable connectivity via A55.Plus,it's all in gods country.Would be perfect if more pinheads were closer
 
Reality is that folk want the best of everything - German engineering, Italian Style, South African Weather, French Food. British fair play. And unless you have serious wealth, life is not like that.

Everywhere is a trade off. Time versus money. Wealth creation versus quality of life.

I live in a nice East Midlands village in an economically depressed area due to the closure of mines and the engineering businesses that support them. Hard to earn a living around here so folk are mainly retired/ public sector/ work in quasi public sector like utilities

No traffic jams. No organic Hungarian restaurants. Very little consumerism. Lots of retired people. Good real ale. Good food if you like pork and bacon. Polite community. I am married to an import but there is actually nothing wrong with British values and communities. Old fashioned English feel in my village so tame events like Church fetes. Garden parties. Bowls club. Tennis club. One Pub. Polite dog walkers. Quiz nights. Amateur night village panto that we all go to. Was a band in the village hall playing cover versions this weekend that cost £10 including a pie and peas supper, bottle of sparkling wine for a tenner, becks for £1.50. Dads operated the makeshift bar on a rota. Raised money for the primary school.

Brexit country.

The internet, Amazon, youtube have transformed life here. For the better. Would be a little boring and difficult without them.
 
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I'm a tenant nowadays in a 3 bedroom flat that's a stone's throw from Ealing Broadway tube station. So I'm 'on the tube' but only on the very far edge of the map.

It's a nice flat. When I was sorting out my tenancy I asked the estate agent how much it'd cost to buy if it was for sale. Guess. Go on, guess.



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They said £1.1M to £1.2M
 
****ing hell dan that's insane. I do the Sunday morning property porn thing and can confirm for that cash you can get posh country estates for that in some parts of the uk

That 3x salary multiplier isn't going to do it is it? Who the hell earns enough for that ?

How much are they gouging you for rent?
 
When I first moved down to London I lived in Finchley for 5 years, had a great deal on renting a fantastic and massive house for 800 a month (1994) and sublet some of the rooms (ended up rent free LOL) Moved to Harrow on the Hill into a flat which I bought at auction for 85K, later sold it for 200K. Had some luck in business and then bought my dream house again in Harrow on the Hill, lived there for from 2001 until 2014. The area was overtaken by a lot of eastern europeans, and apart from one set of twats, all nice hard working people, but people with a very different culture and not one that was for me. My daughter moved out to Woking and had my grand daughter so I ended up going out to Surrey a lot. Long story but the wife want to move out closer to our daughter so we started to look for a house and found a couple of fantastic places for stupid money in my view.

It was worth every freaking penny. I wouldn't live back in London for all the tea in China and I was one of those people who said he would never move out of the City!

Friendly neighbours, space and quiet, council that is actually useful. The commute into the City is a bit more time but I have a lovely walk from Waterloo to the city most days.

Finding a home that you are happy with and at peace with is so important, if you aren't happy in your current place my advice is to stop everything else until you sort that out, pins, cars, hobbies, whilst giving pleasure are nothing to the peace of mind you get living in a home that you care about and feel secure in.
 
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