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Supporting Pinshows - Blackpool and beyond - PLEASE comment

Blackpool is a sh1t hole, the Norbrek is bad by all accounts, Blackpool doesnt have any decent links to the South like Manchester etc. By having a show in Blackpool you're only really appealing to a small group of NW pinball dudes and no further away.

All the Southerners have just been to pinfest and that didnt sell out AFAIK....

Like @chris b says maybe due to the amount of decent pin venues these days the show scene isn't as important as it once was.

I gave out flyers for Pinfest in every parts order for almost a year before the show, no one gave me any flyers to send out for this show....

Phil
No Blackpool is not a shi-te hole it is a northern seaside town. If you don't know how to enjoy yourself in Blackpool then hard cheese.
 
As poi said. The larger event is not our show. Play generously give us a few tickets to sell though, to raise money for charity. We don't want to directly hit their sales to the general public, so we try hard to target our sales only to pinheads and their family/friends.

If you're on Facebook we'd appreciate you following our page and helping spread our promotional posts on there: www.facebook.com/NLPinball

We've actually got a comp running for a bunch of free flyers at the moment, so feel free to join in:

I've shared the event and discounted tickets to the NERG and UKPinfest pages on facebook.
 
No Blackpool is not a shi-te hole it is a northern seaside town. If you don't know how to enjoy yourself in Blackpool then hard cheese.

Have to agree with Phil on this one I am afraid and a number of other people that commented, it is a shi-te hole having recently visited the place again.

Won’t stop me coming to play pinball but wouldn’t ever choose to go for a day out, only reason I went was to test ride a motorcycle.


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I suppose it is possible that the large locations (Tilt etc) have an impact on the smaller shows, but hopefully it's a *positive* impact on the larger shows. Large shows remain the only events where people can try 50+ games on freeplay over a full weekend.

Would be a shame though if the large locations are under the impression that they've reached that success without realising that it is at least in part due to the success of the shows that introduce pinball to the general public - which has exactly been the mission with Northern Lights from the beginning. I personally wouldn't be involved in this madness if it wasn't for accidentally falling in love with pinball again at the original Blackpool show way back in 2010. An event I went to mainly to play the arcade cabs, but then ended up playing pins all day. So neither the locations or the shows can pat themselves on the back and say 'mission accomplished' without realising that each helps the other.

If the large shows fail, then there wouldn't be the same influx of newbies to pinball that then look for sites to play. Similarly, the sites should be helping promote the large events.

Have to disagree with you there mate, I wouldn't credit shows or the pinball community for any of Tilts success. Its only an extremely small percentage of customers that seek us out from the existing community! Majority of the people that play in Tilt know nothing of the shows or forums... And we regularly promote this forum for people looking to buy machines and we always plug shows.

I've built my business off the back of craft beer and coffee, luckily for me pinball took off bigger then either myself or @philpalmer ever expected! From 5 machines to soon to be pack up to 21 machines!

This is why shows struggle you aim for existing enthusiasts when you should be aiming to a broader audience
 
Have to agree with Phil on this one I am afraid and a number of other people that commented, it is a shi-te hole having recently visited the place again.

Won’t stop me coming to play pinball but wouldn’t ever choose to go for a day out, only reason I went was to test ride a motorcycle.
Most people go to Blackpool to have a fun day out. Brilliant variety of Entertainment lots of happy people. Every type of pub on offer. Fresh air and doughnuts a fun Park with a wooden roller-coaster, the best waterslides in the UK. and the illuminations.
Perhaps because the only reason you visited Blackpool was to test a motorcycle was your reason for not understanding what Blackpool means to the thousands that flock there every day. You go there to have a good time not judge the place.


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I understand the argument that the fixed locations enable people to play machines without having to go to shows, but (speaking for Flip Out) we have introduced a bunch of new enthusiasts to the hobby that wouldn't have been there before, so it's pro's & con's.

We have a noticeboard at Flip Out and would be happy to put up a poster advertising Replay (or any other pinball related event)
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August

I agree, especially as it tends to be the same people at most of those events. Perhaps Play will have to contribute more towards the pinballs if it wants to keep them at the events!
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August



Tbh mate there ain't that many pinheads go to Glasgow or nerg, predominantly non pinheads, Manc would be unknown as new location
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August


What do you suggest?
 
I don't have any suggestions, just concerns. Hopefully everyone, especially the supporters/donators, have the enthusiasm to see all the events through.
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August
I think it's good for them to have their own things that set them apart.

For me personally:
- Play Expo Manchester. It's very close to travel to, great for a night out, other stuff to do on an evening. Nice hotels. Advantage of other things to do at the event itself like the arcade machines, retro game stalls, merch stalls. Out of all the event it's the one we'd take the guys to as there's stuff there for them - games, they're not into pinball.

NERG and Play Expo Glasgow I see more attracting a local crowd.

PinFest - having a hotel on site with a pool and bar is awesome! Love being able to come and go into the event. We came as a big group this year and it was great. Would usually go every year but unfortunately this year it clashes with a family holiday and its normally close to gamescom which I usually attend for work. Downside is Daventry itself, loads of the town centre shops have closed down so there's not much to do for a change of scenery from the hotel itself.

Would like to go to as many as possible but I do a lot of events in my job which are April, June, August, September etc. so depends on when I'm around.
 
I just did google - heathrow to blackpool. BA run services. And yep, flights are actually decent prices (from £80 return). 1 hour flight. Pretty decent for anyone close enough!

Did you check the dates? [emoji6]
(And yes a turdhole)

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Perhaps because the only reason you visited Blackpool was to test a motorcycle was your reason for not understanding what Blackpool means to the thousands that flock there every day. You go there to have a good time not judge the place.

Nah, it's a dump. Prom has been smartened up, but unless you're part of the LGBT community, Stags/Hens, drug/alcohol dependent (in which case you'll think it's great), it's not family orientated..... unless maybe you stay around the Pleasure Beach/Sand Castle area or drive through the illuminations in your car.

Last experience of taking my young nephews to Central Pier Blackpool area involved them viewing drunk Scots walking down the street with their c*cks out, gyrating lap dancers on open-top buses, drug users shooting up under the pier and a multitude of stag/hen groups in various alcohol hammered states. I pity the hoteliers trying to make a living without succumbing to the stag and hen groups.... Shame they never got the casino development once intimated, would have smartened the town up.

My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August

This means I will pick and choose next year unfortunately. All great individually, but getting a bit saturated in other busy life things.

However to be positive (!), going to Norbreck for the show, pins and social with familiar faces will be excellent as always, due to the hard work the NLP guys put in. Looking forward to it.
 
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Have to disagree with you there mate, I wouldn't credit shows or the pinball community for any of Tilts success. Its only an extremely small percentage of customers that seek us out from the existing community! Majority of the people that play in Tilt know nothing of the shows or forums... And we regularly promote this forum for people looking to buy machines and we always plug shows.

I've built my business off the back of craft beer and coffee, luckily for me pinball took off bigger then either myself or @philpalmer ever expected! From 5 machines to soon to be pack up to 21 machines!

This is why shows struggle you aim for existing enthusiasts when you should be aiming to a broader audience

And lots of help from @philpalmer
 
Are there only 4 shows in the UK?

If this is right I'm surprised that there is nothing in the South.
 
I try and visit the major pin shows and have lent a pin on the Manchester shows, but I pay on the door if I haven`t pledged a pin, blackpool is fine for the entertaining rides and watching the fighting at night, that`s why I book B & Bs in bispham;)
 
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Just to address the original question... Manchester will be great, I fully intend to be there. My missus will come too as she loves the video games and cosplay aspects.

I can't muster any enthusiasm for Blackpool. I think I play enough pinball at the tournaments I attend, along with the odd stop off in Tilt when travelling for work. Speaking honestly, if there was a tourney, I may have considered it. Also, having grown up on beaches in Sydney there is no chance my missus would enjoy Blackpool.
 
I see you found it (thanks!) https://twitter.com/ukpinball The guy that runs that feed doesn't post much anymore though unfortunately :/
I did! Is it worth renaming the name (not the account itself) from Northern Lights Pins to Nothern Lights Pinball so it's easier to find the account? Works fine on my phone as it auto fills it in, and turns out I was already following. But when I tried from my laptop earlier it took me a while.

Might be worth investigating tweeting from it more. Shows its still active and not dead and could be worth following more people who like pinball - and similar things games/arcades - to generate a bit more interest on the account and sharing and resharing the news of events, photos etc. Quite a few of the ones I did from PinFest itself got quite a lot of likes and RTs and hopefully a few who weren't sure about the event before will be up for going in future - especially with it already being confirmed now and easy to make plans around.

Also I know it's a hard one as I really appreciate the events rely on people donating games, but the line up looks quite similar to the other year. It'd be nice to have some rotation around. Is there any log of previous years, is it possible to try and get some variety between years and events?
 
I did! Is it worth renaming the name (not the account itself) from Northern Lights Pins to Nothern Lights Pinball so it's easier to find the account? Works fine on my phone as it auto fills it in, and turns out I was already following. But when I tried from my laptop earlier it took me a while.

Might be worth investigating tweeting from it more. Shows its still active and not dead and could be worth following more people who like pinball - and similar things games/arcades - to generate a bit more interest on the account and sharing and resharing the news of events, photos etc. Quite a few of the ones I did from PinFest itself got quite a lot of likes and RTs and hopefully a few who weren't sure about the event before will be up for going in future - especially with it already being confirmed now and easy to make plans around.

Also I know it's a hard one as I really appreciate the events rely on people donating games, but the line up looks quite similar to the other year. It'd be nice to have some rotation around. Is there any log of previous years, is it possible to try and get some variety between years and events?


It's quite simple, we rely on the pin public for machines.Instead of it being a revolving door of different people pledging games it ain't. It's the same few.
Thanks heavens for them or the shows would die.
We've got an early 60s game that ain't been to any shows, plus was gonna be andromeda that has now died so star gazed instead,we have a rare Spanish star wars coming so there is some variety
 
Totally get and appreciate that, I think it's great work that everyone does organising the events and from those who are kind enough to support by donating their machines.

Just trying to think of how to answer the original question as I'd love for Manchester to happen and go ahead rather than have no NLP presence.
 
I guess that these shows are goodwill exercises really. Goodwill on behalf of the organisers, the volunteers and the game providers. And goodwill on behalf of those who turn up, even if it is less than ideal for them to do so.

Taking a game is a right pita, but you do it to help the community we all rely on to survive. It is the same thing with hosting events. Much easier not to host an event, but you do your bit.

Just as guys on here will help out total noobs with repair advice.

As the games got more expensive it makes it a harder decision to take some games. My paragon is off to Blackpool, it is a really good example but it is not MM money. I have also taken wpt, roadshow, vector, funhouse and fish tales to shows. I have sold my DI now, I used it for the League but I would not have risked taking it to a show.

I know that purists may not like comps at shows. But I think that an inclusive competition makes sense. There are some guys who are in it for the points. If you want them to show, put a comp on. Like the one at nlp last year, where anyone can rock up and participate. This avoids the "no one told me about it, it's too late for me to enter" moans
 
My biggest concern for next year is the shows will be bunched up together and punters/supporters may have burnout.

Play Expo Manchester - May
Play Expo Glasgow - June
NERG - July
UKPinfest - August
Agree with you on this @Big Phil a little too close together. Distance has never been an issue for me, as I just love attending these shows, and always pledge a pin when I can. I even drove to the last south coast slam from Hartlepool and back - that was a long way (not sure I would do that again though).

For me it's about the ability to play a massive variety of pins 2 or 3 times a year, all on freeplay - yes, coffee shops are popping up now but that would cost me a fortune at a £1 a play as I'm not that good !!!

I do think though with 4 events so close next year because of holiday commitments in may/june I could end up missing 2 shows which I would be gutted about, they really could do with spreading out. Always looked forward to the October NLP/Play expo as seen it as the last show of the season for me and if that goes it would be sadly missed.

Cheers

kev
 
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